Next-Gen Needs To Be More Than Polygons Says Battlefield 4 Dev
Written by Andrew Moynihan on 28 March 2013 at 11:30

"Battlefield 4 was only announced yesterday, and already we're hearing some fascinating things from the developers.

Even though they impressed an entire audience of people (and later, the internet) with their Frostbite 3 engine, they said: "Frostbite is a tool"...

Next-Gen Needs To Be More Than Polygons Says Battlefield 4 Dev

In an interview with Eurogamer, Patrick Bach detailed their new shift in perspective, and about how they couldn't just keep making the game based around pretty graphics.

"Next-gen needs to be more than just more polygons. To us, it's like, how do we evolve the gameplay? How do we evolve the narrative? How do we evolve the things around the technology? How do we make it more Battlefield?"

The push comes at a time where Journalism is adapting to Indie games, and realising that enjoyment and graphics are completely separate; and their reviews are reflecting that.

"You don't even judge games by graphics and audio, as [journalists] did in the past. The experience is nine. You judge it on how it feels rather than what it is. You don't use a measurement to see how good something is. You taste it and ask, is this good? Yes! I like it."

Bach explains how they've attempted to make the singleplayer campaign far more like multiplayer. Mostly, they want you to have choices; there is little value in having a huge setpiece where the player can put down his controller and just watch. Instead, the player should interact with the game, and not just with Quicktime Events.

Bach is also rather adamant that making the Singleplayer was important, pointing out that although "everyone" just buys the game for the multiplayer, they have a lot of players who don't enter multiplayer, or try it and have a bad first experience. This is something else the team has built into the singleplayer, making the game almost a long tutorial for the Multiplayer, to let you get used to tactics and weapons.

The full interview is very detailed and worth reading, and can be found here.

Do you guys think this re-imagined singleplayer will be more fun? Or is the game just about blowing up your mates?






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cjt08046
16:57 Apr-02-2013
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I applaud the company wanting to make a more engrossing singleplayer experience, but they kind of shoot themselves in the foot by turning around and saying they want to make singleplayer like a long tutorial for multiplayer. Maybe the people who avoid multiplayer don't want their singleplayer experience morphed into MP but with bots!

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^ this all the way
I completely agree with you.

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Graphics and Gameplay wise the Game looks !GREAT! but dont know anything about the storyline…….

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Just out of curiosity can i max this with 60 FPS ?

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steepgnomeking
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Since there are no system specs out yet no one knows.

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Grimreeper786
17:09 Mar-30-2013

Yeah most probably yes.

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mydreamrigmaza90210
17:41 Apr-02-2013

yeah probably, but on multiplayer if you experience bad performance, you should just OC your CPU to 3.8ghz or something, and get way better performance.

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I'm fairly sure you'll be fine I can;t imagine it'll be that taxing for a 680 :L

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MY PC IS GONNA BURN DEFINITELY :(
But if there's any luck…I can run it on lowest
I ran bf3 smoothly on textures ultra and others on medium

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then, i guess you will be able to run it.

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oh my fu God….Battlefield has absolutly nothing to do with fu Crysis…Crysis is a futuristic game which mean it must have different setting, diferent gameplay and diferent graphics….they can't be compared…in my opinion bf3 beats crysis 3….simply because I was never into James Bond "I am fu God bullets can't hurt me, nothing can stop me I can even turn invisible" type of games….so it's allways down to the persons preference

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Pro-tip. Don't swear for no reason. But yes they are completely different games. But with crysis 3 on a hard difficulty if you weren't invisible or have the shield up you died in about 2 seconds so that's where the challenge came from.

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Why in the world would you compare Battlefield and Crysis? Are you trying to imply that you like Frostbite more than Cryengine? And the fact that you say they can't be compared and then you continue to compare them… I'm so confused.

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Grimreeper786
17:51 Mar-29-2013

I like your thinking. Most probably he is one of those who haven't seen Cryengine 3's full potential

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skinimiseskurca
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that is exactly my point…I would not dare to compare battlefield and crysis by graphics, by engine, by gameplay, by storyline, by setting or by multiplayer…I only said that i prefer battlefield because you can have a preference between 2 games, you can like one more then the other..and I stated the reason why I like bf more..because it is modern type of fps, cause i was never realy into futuristic games…

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skinimiseskurca
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I never said I like frostbite more although I do…with cryengine 3 battlefield would look and feel different…better or worse i can't know that…but one thing is for sure, I would not have the same feeling while playing bf3…and this feling kinda grown to me, so one more reason why I like bf more…but what pised me of was the guy askin will bf4 beat crysis3 cause thats how "crysis sucks, bf rocks" or "no, bf sucks, crysis rocks" thing starts

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Oh okay. Thanks, that makes more sense now. ;)

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See that's something I think we can compare. The game engines. Haven't played any games using frostbyte 3 for the obvious reason. But I really like the way cryengine works. It wouldn't be great for a battlefield game unless it was in the forest. I feel cryengine does very well on their foliage and nature looks. And as a side note I can not wait (I'm very excited) to see how many people start complaining and whining just as they did with crysis 3 about how all the games now are only going to be directx 11 like battlefield 4. Directx 11 is a 4 year old system with directx 9 being 9 years so i'm glad we are finally getting away to more efficient and better looking game engines. If crysis 3 was made on directx 9 you would take a major fps hit.

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i really hope it isnt a 2 day game because i dont play multiplayer

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I find any game that isn't an rpg to be a 2 day game. Lara croft, crysis, bioshock, and really any non rpg game.

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Only if you NOLIFE it all day. I play TR till now Crysis too.

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Crysis was about 10 hours. TR was about 11-12. 2 days 5-6 hours a day. Saturday and Sunday? If you know a new game is comming out that isn't really no lifeing it.

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i was talking of fps games they are too short

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ahh well yea. They focus mainly on the multiplayer aspects. Not sure of any long fps games except maybe metroid.

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What do you think will battlefield 4 beat Crysis 3?

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Grimreeper786
05:42 Mar-29-2013

In what gameplay or graphics?

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OfCourse in Graphics+Gameplay!!

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it will definitely beat crysis 3 in graphics!!

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Grimreeper786
08:30 Mar-29-2013

Not necessarily if it does then it will be only played by a fraction of the PC gaming community and EA knows that.

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Yeah Battlefield 4 will be the father of crysis 3 ;)

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you can compare the graphics and the sounds, but not the gameplay. and yes, in graphics-sound-engine battlefield will be surely better than crysis 3.

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At last Battlefield is gonna have a better story.

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agreed, I really have not played any Battlefield, but like most shooters, the campaigns always seem to be lackluster, and I hope that DICE goes through with what the guy's talking about here, and have a GOOD story, if Crysis can do it, so can other FPS games.

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Grimreeper786
04:47 Mar-29-2013

You are so similar to me man.

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Interrogator
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Now kiss. XD

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Grimreeper786
04:53 Mar-29-2013

Hehehe. I didn't say 'I DO'. ☺

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Interrogator
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LOL

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Grimreeper786
05:06 Mar-29-2013

ROFL XD

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bt123456789
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well…that was a completely random discussion, but it's kinda interesting, most people, as far as I know, only care about if a game looks good, or care about multiplayer only, when it comes to shooters like BF and CoD.

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Grimreeper786
17:44 Mar-29-2013

Well I love stories. Because they make you remember the game and the lesson you learn from it.

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agreed, which most shooters lack a really good story unfortunately (exceptions being Crysis…and SpecOps…although the latter is really disturbing too…)

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Grimreeper786
19:00 Mar-29-2013

Yeah I played Spec Ops and its gameplay was great but its story was too deep.

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agreed, I got to playing it and it really disturbed me during the level with the mortar…the end of it…shudder it really caused me to put the game down, and I haven't touched it since, even though I really want to finish it.

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Grimreeper786
08:16 Mar-30-2013

Mortar was just the beginning you had not seen anything.

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That's….disturbing, very disturbing. I'll get back to it someday, I'm sure.

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Grimreeper786
03:36 Mar-31-2013

Gain some courage and get back there.

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I probably will in the future, I spent a long time downloading it, might as well play it.

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Dont you like DEEP stories?

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bt123456789
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Interrogator, I love deep stories, but honestly SpecOPs really hit a sour note and really disturbed every fiber of my being ^^; as I told Grimreeper, the mortar scene really, really sent a chill down my spine.

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Grimreeper786
18:09 Apr-01-2013

Hahaha. That was a bad part for me too

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More destructible enviroments, I want everything to be destructible! And please, DICE, don't put the blue tint like you did in Battlefield 3…

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whats with the tint?

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theres a FXAA Injector for that..
http://extreme.pcgameshardware.de/attachments/521222d1329676570-fxaa-injector-danoc1-fuer-battlefield-3-update-danoc1-v1-3-beta-performance-fxaa-vergleich.jpg
Some kind of sweetfx.

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I play Bioshock Infinte If I want to play an ego shooter-singleplayer with a good story and nice gameplay, Battlefield and all that other military stuff (Except Spec Ops) is only for MP. I mean come on these BF/COD etc campaigns are bll with an pro american * and false look at warfare…

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I don't think they are going for realism in these games. If you want that play arma 3. COD actually has a a good single player story in my opinion. Black ops was good and so was modern warfare. A major part of those games is multiplayer because that's what keeps you playing. The only thing the same between these military shooters and bioshock is that its a first person shooter. Most people play through the single player at one point or another for those games because their is a story to it and it is nice to see them wanting to improve on it. So in summary…please stop swearing.

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