AMD announcing Steamroller-based Athlon II X4 860K and new FX-8300
Written by: Generalissimo - 13:23 Aug-05-2014

AMD made some announcements about new products, covering gaps in their marketing line.

An 8-core piledriver FX processor, just like FX-8320 or FX-8350, but with lower TDP and frequencies, the FX-8300 which was-until recently-only available to OEMs and wasn't sold in retail might appeal to people who use to get a cheap 8-core for low power consumption, or to overclock it and get a whole lot for their money.

But perhaps most importantly, following the habbits of previous releases like the Athlon II X4 760K, the new Steamroller-based Athlon II X4 860K will be released. It's just like an A10 APU, without an integrated graphics card, while remaining unlocked. Enthusiasts who wish to overclock it or people who wished for a cheaper Steamroller based CPU/APU to use along a dedicated GPU may like this product.

But of course, in the end it's always a matter of performance and cost (and power consumption or thermals).

 

Moving on to a few technical details:

 

Piledriver-based FX-8300 a dedicated low-power processors, equipped with Eight-core design, AM3+ Socket, the same as above one not locked multiplier, the official did not publish detailed specifications, predict the base frequency frequency should be around 3.2-3.5GHz, should also have 8MB L2/L3 cache, TDP may be 95W.

Athlon II X4 860K processor can be understood as A10 series APU without Graphic Coreversion, equipped with four cores, unlocked multiplier, FM2+ Socket, with A55, A75, A85, A88X other chips as group match. It is just a CPU – not an APU. AMD has fitted the CPU with 2 MB of L2 cache. Please note this, since other Steamroller APUs have 4 MB of L2 cache.

 

According to website http://wccftech.com , there will also be a slightly lower-clocked AMD Athlon X4 840, as well as the AMD Athlon X4 550, AMD Athlon X4 530, AMD A4-7300 and AMD Athlon X2 450.

For a comparison table of specs check out their article:

http://wccftech.com/amd-officially-announces-steamroller-based-athlon-x4-860k-piledriver-based-fx8300-processors-chinajoy-2014/

 

The next announcement is about the Chinese version of the Never Settle game bundle plan, indeed with Chinese characteristics, the first cooperative game is the last mentioned “DOTA 2″, “fighting God of War”, “Dream Three Kingdoms”, to obtain the corresponding free game you have to buy an AMD graphics card.

 

What do you think about these new products, especially the Steamroller based Athlons?

I think that if they are priced competitively, they will totally replace the previous Athlons, FX-4000 series or even FX-6000 series, while competing with Intel Core i3s, but I find the lower L2 cache, if it is true after all, to be a step back, since these APUs and CPUs lack L3  cache as well.

I'll ask Pip to add any of the missing CPUs and APUs in order to have a clearer view.

 

Sources:

http://tech4gamers.com/amd-announces-the-athlon-860k-fx-8300-cpus-and-never-settle-chinese-version/

http://wccftech.com/amd-officially-announces-steamroller-based-athlon-x4-860k-piledriver-based-fx8300-processors-chinajoy-2014/

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-athlon-fx-8300-cpu,27365.html

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19:39 Aug-06-2014

5800K = 750K without iGPU
6800K = 760K without iGPU
7850K = 860K without iGPU
AMD FX-8300 = AMD FX 6300 with 2 more cores
That's how I see this.

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19:42 Aug-06-2014

The last one is not really accurate,because 6300 has 0.2 GHz higher clock and 2MB L2 cache less than 8300,but they are simmiliar indeed

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20:11 Aug-06-2014

basically the 7850k and 860k are the more or less the same thing as a simple i3

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20:27 Aug-06-2014

AMD FX-8300 is actually a great idea. It will probably costs less than AMD FX-8320 so it will be a great budget CPU, probably the best one. It would be awesome to build a budget gaming PC with AMD FX-8300, Radeon R9 280 and 2×4GB RAM!

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17:04 Aug-07-2014

actually you understood exactly the opposite :p
the truth is:
750K - 5800K without iGPU
760K - 6800K without iGPU
860K - 7850K without iGPU (and with less cache)

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18:00 Aug-07-2014

I guess that was what he meant :)

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13:40 Aug-08-2014

I know it's what he probably meant, but it's better to be clarified for other people too.

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15:23 Aug-12-2014

Actually the 6800k is a bit more powerful than X4 760k

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16:36 Aug-05-2014

This makes me feel abandoned... FM2 socket only has sh!t cpus available, nothing better than an i3... just with intergrated graphics. I hoped they would release some FM2 compatible CPUs but no, instead they released those new FM2+ motherboards and APUs which aren't even comparable to i5. All they care about is money :( just like every other company, zero support...

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17:13 Aug-05-2014

FM2 is getting old mate,but FM2 plus will be supported for longer time.Like with AM3 which didn't have long support but AM3 plus did have it and still has it

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19:21 Aug-05-2014

It was just released in 2012 though :(

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12:48 Aug-06-2014

2 years is about all you get for motherboard support unfortunately...

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13:27 Aug-06-2014

actually fm2 was ready from 2011, it was just released in 2012, same goes for the piledriver fx cpus.

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17:40 Aug-05-2014

wow the athlon x4 760k was and still is better than any i3 and the new x4 860k will be 15-30% clock for clock so I don't see how this is bad.

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19:21 Aug-05-2014

i3 beats the athlon x4 760k to death :D Athlon can bottleneck easily while the i3 is steady, stable and trustworthy :P

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19:29 Aug-05-2014

in games that use or/and need only 1-2 cores maybe so, but in more demanding games and tasks that require more cores the i3 loses, though the lack of L3 cache on the x4 760k sucks...

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19:33 Aug-05-2014

also you should take a look at this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_MPb7Rinq0
this is what I was talking about, the i3 isn't good for multi-threaded/multi-core applications since it's a dual core with hyper-threading and hyper-threading gives 0-25% more performance.

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20:34 Aug-05-2014

If the i3 can handle even a GTX 760 with 70 FPS + while recording then I can say it's amazing! with a gtx 760 the athlon would simply struggle. I don't know what do you mean with that video xD the performance was great.

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20:35 Aug-05-2014

i3 doesn't beat athlon 760K to death.Newest and strongest i3's (i3 4340,i3 4370...) are better than 760K in gaming,but 760K still has better multi-threaded performance than those i3's because they are only dual cores.

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21:10 Aug-05-2014

bro the gpu was at 55%

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21:16 Aug-05-2014

ok to make things clear,
good i3 beats even FX-8350 in single or dual core performance, just does.
760K is great cpu for the price (but overall more expensive FX-6300 is better pick for gamers), basically APU with disabled graphics, true quad core, therefore being more suitable for task/processes which can make use of those 4 physical cores.
games tend to be optimized tricky, therefore in some games i3 may win, in some 760K may win, in some GTX760 would be bottlenecked and in some GTX760 would be the bottleneck at certain conditions :)

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22:32 Aug-05-2014

That is very good explanation indeed :)

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21:56 Aug-05-2014

I have a friend with a fx 4300 and a gtx 760 and the gpu reaches 97-100% in every modern game...

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22:42 Aug-05-2014

FX 4300 is very good CPU and decent for gaming,what did you expect? :D

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13:24 Aug-06-2014

well I didn't expect the lack of L3 on the athlon x4 760k to make it so bad for gaming...IMO they should have almost the same performance when it comes to games.But I don't think it's true, since wherever I looked the athlon x4 760k was getting 0-5fps less than the fx 4300...

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22:00 Aug-05-2014

Tzzsmk, I've been telling people that since forever... not the exact same word, but the exact same thing... People don't understand that when you have 4 or 8 cores that doesn't mean you always use them...

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22:41 Aug-05-2014

Nah most of the people just hear that AMD cores are sh*t because when comapring for example 8350 with i5 4670K in game which uses only up to 4 cores intel wins out and then they say ''ah AMD is crap 4 core intel beats 8 core AMD that is the prooof'' but they don't understand that that 8350 wasn't fully used,that game used only half of its cores,while i5 4670K has been fully utilized.When you compare those two in programs which can use up to 8 cores 8350 always wins out there.

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12:51 Aug-06-2014

Fact of the matter is most applications and game code only utilizes 2 to 4 cores anyways. So rushing out buying an 8 core CPU was simply a waste of money. If all you wanted was to be able to say you have an 8 core CPU then great, but other then that it is just looks better on paper....

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13:22 Aug-06-2014

true everything.

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13:23 Aug-06-2014

most tricky thing is gfx card cpu utilization,
I've seen on my own eyes how i3-2130 provides different performance/load/temps when switching between igpu and old HD4770 :)

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18:14 Aug-06-2014

psychoman you were looking at the wrong place lol the gpu usage was 80-97% not 55%
there's probably a tiny tiny bottleneck there. If the GPU usage was 55% this guy would get more than 30 FPS while recording lol. It was recorded on ultra settings and the FPS never dipped below 70 FPS
@tzzmsk, the athlon x4 760k is almost the same thing as my x4 750k, just a little bit overclocked from 3.4 Ghz to 3.8 Ghz which is worse than my x4 750k cuz now it's overclocked to 3.9 Ghz.

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18:59 Aug-06-2014

I don't know bro, the fx 4300 and athlon x4 760k have almost the same gaming performance 0-2% difference, and I have a firend with a gtx 760 and fx 4300 and he has no problems at all.

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19:17 Aug-06-2014

L3 cache means a lot in games.I've experienced how my rig performed sooooo much better in games when i changed to 6300 frm my old Athlon 2 X4 641...I had fps drops very often with my old CPU,now all of that is gone...

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19:19 Aug-06-2014

I guess there's a big difference from FX 4300, don't trust GD's comparison tools, psychoman :P
@Miha99, yeah from FX 6300 there's like 40 FPS difference. Athlons suck, that's a fact. I am pretty sure I'll be getting solid 60 FPS on high settings when I upgrade my CPU from this to i5 4690k :D

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19:26 Aug-06-2014

And if you ask me,i would NEVER get an i3 for gaming.In my country,6300 is cheaper than any i3 (exept some old sandy brigde ones),while for the price of i3 4340 you can get an FX 8320.Buying i3 does not make sense when you can have so much better CPU-s for the same price

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19:29 Aug-06-2014

Athlons are good CPU's,but they are not meant for gaming...you have FX series for that

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20:38 Aug-06-2014

ok I went all across google to search the performance of the athlon x4 piledriver/trinity...What I found is that this cpu should be playing bf4 MP or SP with 40fps+
Though to be honest most people didn't have a gpu better than the r7 260x or gtx 650ti boost since people who buy these cpus are on a tight budget, but that still are good results.

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22:04 Aug-06-2014

Miha99 your athlon II was based on a much older and different architecture.

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22:21 Aug-06-2014

Yeah it was 600 series,Llano architecture...

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22:35 Aug-06-2014

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIHHk5s011M
yes I know the cpu is overclocked, but the athlon x4 760k is as good as or better than that athlon II x4 640 at 3.6GHz. Look at the FPS and keep in mind he has only a HD6870.

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13:57 Aug-05-2014

8300 could be very interesting...only 95W TDP for octa core CPU is awesome,and considering how low are prices of 4300 and 6300 i'm sure this one is going to be a best-buy too :D

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14:19 Aug-05-2014

it's just a gimmick,
TDP doesn't indicate power consumption but only heat,
basically if you get FX-8320 and underclock it to level of FX-8300 it will be same.

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14:58 Aug-05-2014

the only key difference is binning and how well binned is the CPU

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16:32 Aug-05-2014

Well if you underclock it...but will surely help reduce stock cooler noise and temps for only 0.2 GHz lower...i doubt you'll ever notice that minor difference.What could be awesome for this CPU is the price.

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17:39 Aug-05-2014

most deffinetally it's not going to affect the performance almost at all, but what I'm saying is that the fx 8350 can overclock more than the fx 8320 and the fx 8320 will probably overclock more than the fx 8300 due to lower binning.

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00:03 Aug-06-2014

Yeah, I think that fx 8300 won't be a great overclocker, but it should be able to hit 4+ GHz I wanna believe.

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13:23 Aug-06-2014

the fx 8320 overclocked 300mhz less than the fx 8350 so I guess the fx 8300 will overclock 300mhz less than the fx 8320 and 600mhz less than the fx 8350.

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