Help me create my new rig!
Written by: alex123456789 - 15:52 Sep-02-2014

I've been saving money for 4 years now and i've finally decided to build my own pc!I'm finally moving out to a new city so I think it's the best time to do it.

 

But, since it's my first time I thought I asked you guys first since most of what I know about computers I've larned from here (and thank you for that)

 

So without further adieu here are the parts I've picked so far:

 

CPU: FX-8320          ~131€

GPU: ASUS Radeon R9 280 3072MB          ~193€

PSU: Sharkoon WPM600 V2 PC-Netzteil(600 Watt, ATX, Kabelmanagement)     ~52€

RAM: Kingston KVR16N11/8G (8GB)    ~71€

CASE: AEROCOOL GT MIDI TOWER BLACK EDITION  ~30€

MONITOR: PHILIPS 226V4LAB 21.5'' LCD MONITOR FULL HD BLACK  ~104€


All together cost 582.54€

 

As you may have noticed,I haven't picked a motherboard yet and that's because I don't know the difference between a good motherboard and a bad one.

I need you to help me pick a motherboard that has a very good value for money.I dont need any fancy features and I dont aim to overclock the cpu.

I'm also aiming for the 650€ mark.

I live in greece so i do my shopping from e-shop.gr or amazon.de

 

To sum it up, I need you to find me a motherboard,a cpu cooler (only if it is absolutely needed) and general suggestions on the parts I have found.

 

Thank you in advance :)

 

 

 

 

UPDATE!

Firstly I want to thank you guys,you are all awesome :)

 

However , I have decided that building the above rig would be out of my intended budget


Moreover,to avoid shipping costs I'll be shopping from e-shop.gr  exclusively

 

So I have decided that my options are the following:

 

CPU: AMD ATHLON X4 760K ~82.20 €  OR  FX 6300 ~100.91 € (is it worth the extra 20€?)

GPU: GIGABYTE GEFORCE GTX750(Ti)~143.68 €OR  XFX AMD RADEON R9 270 ~159.90 €

MOBO: ASROCK 980DE3/U3S3 ~46.40 € OR GIGABYTE GA-F2A88XM-HD3 ~57.41 €

RAM: KINGSTON HX318C10FB/4 4GB DDR3 1866MHZ ~41.45 €

PSU: COOLERMASTER G550M GM SERIES 550W MODULAR PSU – 80+ BRONZE ~63.26€

CASE: AEROCOOL GT MIDI TOWER BLACK EDITION ~30€

HDD: WESTERN DIGITAL WD10EZEX 1TB CAVIAR BLUE SATA3 ~49.90 €

MONITOR: LG 22M45HQ-B 21.5'' LED MONITOR FULL HD ~124.90 €

 

Another option is to go for INTEL CORE I5-4460   ~ 166.90 € + ASROCK B85M PRO3  ~57.70 €

But without a dedicated gpu for the time being and  wait for new amd and nvidia gpus

 


So,what do you guys think about my new decision? Will I still be able to enjoy 1080p gaming while having to compromise for a somewhat less powerful system?

Thank you again!

[Special thanks to IFreak01,you've been very helpful buddy :)]

 

 

 

FINAL UPDATE!!

 

After taking into serious consideration your opinions I present you my next rig:

 

CPU: FX 6300

GPU:  XFX RADEON R9 270X

MOTHERBOARD: ASROCK 980DE3/U3S3

PSU: COOLERMASTER G550M

RAM: KINGSTON HX318C10FB/4 4GB DDR3 1866MHZ 

HDD: WESTERN DIGITAL WD10EZEX 1TB CAVIAR BLUE SATA3

CASE: AEROCOOL GT MIDI TOWER BLACK EDITION

MONITOR: LG 22M45HQ-B 21.5'' LED MONITOR FULL HD

 

TOTAL COST: 635.71 €

 


Unless prices change,I'll be picking it up in 10 days when I settle at my new home.

I have decided to not go for fx-8320 because 1st: It costs 40€ and 2nd:There are only 2 or 3 games currently that take advantage of all 8 cores

And since the fx-6300 won't bottleneck my r9 270x I think I'll be fine.

I hope this rig will allow me to enjoy games for 4-5 years as I'm not planning on updating anything except adding another 4 gigs of ram(I have managed to make do for 3.5 years with my laptop with this underclocked version of gt540m).

Thank you,we're done here, wish me luck :)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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14:04 Sep-05-2014

do you think you would be able to grab another 4g stick of ram? cause 4gb ram nowadays are quite tight for some games like battlefield 4 which could eat up to 6gb

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16:07 Sep-05-2014

I want to be able to play witcher 3 so propably when it releases I'll buy another stick.

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08:19 Sep-05-2014

The mobo you chose the Asrock 980DE3/U3S3 is just a re-branded 760 chipset so an old one I do not recommend it, even though you won't OC or anything the chip is old and bad.

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08:25 Sep-05-2014

yea, it's still same 760G chipset which I generally don't recommend for higher-end FX cpus,
970 chipset is way more suitable option thanks to better power management, something like ASUS M5A97 R2.0 is the mobo to get :)

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16:08 Sep-05-2014

I don't want anything fancy,as long as it doesn't cause any bottlenecks I'm fine with that.

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17:43 Sep-05-2014

Just make sure the motherboard supports 125W CPUs.
This board does support those, but doesn't have a vrm cooler and thus those might get toasty. A top-down cooler would be the best option in this case.

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17:59 Sep-05-2014

the fx-6300 is a 95W cpu and doesn't tend to get hot so I think it'll be fine.Thanks for the info though.

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18:58 Sep-05-2014

Still its an very old chipset, I do not recommend any cpu to place on it. Rather get at least any decent budget 970 chipset then this 760. I'm just telling you that even without doing anything on it, the FX-6300 will probably be hotter then usual as the chipset lacks manythings.


I just saying this so you do not regret later. better $10-20 more then whole new pc again when your mobo fries out.

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20:04 Sep-05-2014

How about ASROCK 970 PRO3 R2.0 then? It's 970 as you and taz suggested.

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20:31 Sep-05-2014

That one is an --as--rock solid board #great joke

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21:55 Sep-05-2014

dude.... xD

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11:15 Sep-04-2014

maybe you could try a r7 265 instead and get a fx 6300. do you have kingston value ram there, with 1600 or 1333mhz and get 8gb instead. and get a am3+ motherboard. is it possible to do that and still under your budget? cause i dont understand those word of the website e-shop.gr.

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12:46 Sep-04-2014

it's better for him not cheap out and go a little above his budget for the best result.

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10:02 Sep-04-2014

The setup i have is similar to the one you are looking at, however the only things i should have done but i didnt cos of my budget was to get a z97 mobo instead of a z87 and got a better i5 k series cpu. Also the prices here are really expensive, so i paid €306 for my gpu (the r9 290 is about €427) (sigh). But im happy with my pc, i guess the real test comes with GTA V.

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16:42 Sep-03-2014

In the case of the new rig I'd go for the athlon + R9-270
Do realise you'll need an FM2(+) motherboard for that.

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16:57 Sep-03-2014

Right,I totally forgot,I will fix that!

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10:47 Sep-03-2014

erm the updated list is really bad, I mean, if it was me I would save more money because else it's waste of money imho...

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11:03 Sep-03-2014

Agree with Tazz save some more or just buy a good base system then buy a good GPU

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17:25 Sep-03-2014

If I went with 8 gb ram,the i5 and r9 280 my budget would stretch to more than 750 € (prices at e-shop.gr) which is way more than I intend to spend right away.It's not that I don't have enough money,it's just that I wouldn't like to spend that much on a pc build immediately,over time it would be much better.Maybe I'll go with the i5 and 4gb ram and buy a gpu and a second stick later.

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17:45 Sep-03-2014

Yeesss ,go with the latter plan purchase one around Dec-Feb the price of old cards would drop.

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20:03 Sep-03-2014

I totally understand what you mean, but you take the thing wrong;
if you buy Athlon 760K, you'll get stuck with average cpu and mobo which cannot really accomodate better cpu;
G550M is good enough I guess, 42A at 502W on +12V rail max is good enough :)
there are basically 2 options you have:
1) get FX-8320 with ASUS M5A97 R2.0 which would be best performance for the price, lacking integrated gfx means you'd have to buy gfx card like R9 270 which would be upgraded later
2) get i5-4690K with ASUS Z97M-PLUS which would be no-need-to-upgrade set including integrated gpu which might allow you to save time and buy better gfx card later
in any of those options, definitely get 8GB ram (no matter if 1×8 or 2×4 because those mobos have 4 slots so eventual 16GB later upgrade will be possible), good psu so when buying serious gfx card you won't have to replace it (for reference GTX780 wants 600W psu with 42A)

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10:41 Sep-03-2014

the fx 6300 is worth the extra 20 euro, and the r9 270 is more than worth the extra 15 euro.
the r9 270 is almost twice better than the gtx 750. Just look at the specs it doubles and if not even more than doubles the Shader performance, ROPs, especially TMUs and it has 2gb of Vram and a 256 bus.

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09:18 Sep-03-2014

For 1080p gaming the GTX 750 is very weak. The R9 270 performs a lot better, but still...
Also your chosen RAM is SODIMM (For laptops).


Intel I3 4330 performs better / similar to the fx6300.


Asrock B85M pro3


WD Caviar blue 1TB More reliable?

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09:20 Sep-03-2014

XFX R9 270X
Cooler Master G550M Much higher quality power supply with higher efficiency.
Kingston 4GB RAM
Total price of whole build: 661,75

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17:32 Sep-03-2014

I've changed the ram (thanks for pointing that out) and the psu (I think it's worth the extra 30€) and the HDD.It's gtx 750 (ti) btw.There's no way I'm buying an i3 cpu,call me biased but I'm not settling with a dual core.

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17:46 Sep-03-2014

This cpu as you can see here is much better than the FX6300 6-core processor. Also do note that the I3 processor has hyperthreading.


The GTX 750Ti performs similar to a R7 260X, so a R9 270 (X) is obviously the better choice.

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18:01 Sep-03-2014

I din't know there were i3 cpus with hyperthreading,I stand corrected. The choice is actually between GTX 750 ti and r9 270 (non x). I know that the 270 is stronger but the gtx 750 ti is way more efficient. Is the 270 really worth it? Do keep in mind I'm paying my own electrical bills.

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18:14 Sep-03-2014

I don't know how expensive power is at your place, but over a timespan of 5 years the difference between an i5 and an FX-8350 was about $50, so this shouldn't matter too much either...

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19:53 Sep-03-2014

Benchmark of the GTX 750Ti vs the R9 270 and with my build the R9 270x.


About power consumption. Yes the GTX 750Ti is more efficient with a power draw of 60W it's still a lot less powerful. While the R9 270X uses up 135W, it does perform around 25% better.

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20:27 Sep-03-2014

This benchmark was very useful,you're right both of you the gtx 750 ti isn't worth it. I might as well go with the build you suggested since it's not too much out of my budget.

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06:38 Sep-04-2014

I still think AMD cpus are better alternatives to the Intel counterparts.
The FX6300 provides a similar experience to the i3 parts, but is a lot cheaper and is better at multi tasking (ie gaming and streaming or listening to music) and will be a lot faster when games are getting optimised for more cores. Same point goes for the FX-8320 and 8350 vs i5 parts. Also, they're easily overclockable for future tweaking.
And remember, the GPU is far more important in gaming than the CPU, so you should put the most money into that part.

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20:11 Sep-02-2014

ASUS M5A97 R2.0 is the mobo to match this well-balanced set
*cpu cooler is thing to consider later, something like Noctua NH-U12S or NH-U14S would be the pick then

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21:13 Sep-02-2014

Oh taz, you and your noctua :P
When not overclocking, almost any aftermarket cooler that's reasonably silent is OK...

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21:23 Sep-02-2014

see this
the Noctua NH-U14S performs slightly better than Corsair H100i for much lower price and less noise, now what :P

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08:35 Sep-03-2014

Thank you taz but I won't be picking up a cooler just yet :)

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08:54 Sep-03-2014

wise choice, I checked my purchase history and I bought Noctua cooling about 6 months after rig :)

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10:42 Sep-03-2014

Yeah and when I said that good air cooler is better solution than water cooler you laughed, HA!

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18:15 Sep-02-2014

I would wait for the R9 285 and buy it instead. :D

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12:45 Sep-04-2014

it's out of his budget and the r9 285 is out.

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18:12 Sep-02-2014

This looks like a very good rig to me!
If you can find it for the same price as it is here, you might want to take a look at the opteron 3280, it's essentially an FX-8320 with lower clock speeds and half the power consumption.
Main thing; it's only €75 here (!).
Any 970 chipset motherboard will do generally, as long as you're not planning on doing 10-hard drive raid setups etc. Here's a comparison between chipsets. You'll see the main difference is crossfire/SLI support and some other random crap.

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18:16 Sep-02-2014

Also, an aftermarket cooler like the CM Hyper 212, Hyper TX3 Evo or the Gelid tranquillo (to name a few) are a lot better than the AMD stock cooler. Even if you won't overclock, €20 is a small price to pay for a silent system.
I would also suggest ditching that PSU for a Seasonic M12II EVO 520W. I've had the Sharkoon one and it was fine, but now that I know more about the subject I'd be more comfy with a quality PSU like the Seasonic.

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19:43 Sep-02-2014

Correction: the opteron is essentially an FX-8120 with lower clocks.

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22:29 Sep-02-2014

bulldozer processor are not good for gaming,they have problem in some games

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17:14 Sep-02-2014

this setup looks really nice too!But is the cooler really essential for an intel cpu?
And yes,I kinda forgot about the hdd,so add about 50€

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17:23 Sep-02-2014

Its an unoverclockable CPU so no need for it

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17:30 Sep-02-2014

Change the Corsair 8GB of RAM to the one you've chosen
Get the Asus R9 280 instead of the Gigabyte one
And go with the Aerocool GT instead of the Cooler Master N200.
and you should be able to fit a 1TB HDD in.

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17:39 Sep-02-2014

Newer AMD's run hot so a cooler is a must I think. Plus a little over 650 is going to harm him. Is it ?

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17:59 Sep-02-2014

So if I go for the i5 instead of the fx I won't have to buy a cooler so the money is about the same right?I think the i5-4460 is a wiser choice then.
@Tecedu, the less I have to spend the happier I'll be :)

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20:08 Sep-02-2014

intel haswell heats a lot more than any amd fx cpu. The fx 8320 doesn't need more than it's stock cooler.

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23:03 Sep-02-2014

Haswell CPU's don't heat more than a FX, they heat different.


The FX uses more energy so it produces more heat(a CPU converts power to heat), however the CPU is made with 32nm (instead of 22nm for the Intel), this means the diesize is bigger. And it will generate less heat per mm2. Also the IHS is soldered to the die, meaning the heat can much easier get to the heatsink.


On the intel they use thermal paste, this leads to the fact that it's much harder to get the heat to the IHS and heatsink.


This simpily means that the CPU cooler affects and FX way more than a Haswell.

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23:08 Sep-02-2014

If you use a Haswell CPU with a decent size heatsink you can try this.
Run a heavy CPU test to get your CPU as hot as you can (mine gets around 60C), then touch your heatsink, it feels stone cold, because to low heat output is easilly disappated by the heatsink, however the heat still is on the die and struggling to get to the heatsink at al. No i imagine using a bigger heatsink, the previous one could handle it allready, so the bigger one doesn't drop the temp at all.

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23:16 Sep-02-2014

If you try the same thing on a FX your heatsink is probably almost just as hot as the CPU if you keep pushing it at max. load. The heat gets very easy to the heatsink, however the heatsink has to work harder to get rid of all the heat.
Imagine using a larger heatsink now, it can easier procces the heat and CPU will drop.


Another thing that proves this, once you start loading a Haswell it will instantlly jump to it's max temp (again for me 60c). On a FX you will see that the temp will rise much slower.


To wrap it up you DON''T need a CPU cooler for a I5-4460, it runs fine on the stock cooler and a aftermarket doesn't improve much

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11:45 Sep-03-2014

my heatsink was with my body temperature, maybe a bit above, but yeah my cpu doesn't go over 50C when stress tested with p95 and that is with the stock thermal paste that comes with the heatsink. I don't have a 22nm intel cpu to test it , so I take your word for it :)

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14:07 Sep-04-2014

but then why are sandy bridge and nehalem as hot?

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14:14 Sep-04-2014

SandyBridge aren't hot, depends on cpu cooler,
of course imperfect overclocking results in unnecessarily high voltage which produces more heat :)

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14:32 Sep-04-2014

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EIzho8Z1iM
http://www.overclockers.com/forums/showthread.php/681245-high-temp-with-stock-cooler
http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/984823-New-i5-2500k-Stock-Cooler-Temp-problems
the last one is more of a problem than review.
So in the first video with the Hyper212 the temps at stock speeds were really high. 65-75C at stock.

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14:42 Sep-04-2014

really weird, my overclocked i3-2130 @3.5GHz was around 45°C idle on stock cooler

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08:41 Sep-03-2014

I would also go with the i5 setup.

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14:52 Sep-04-2014

the i3s don't nearlly as much as the i5 cpus, it doesn't matter if they are sandy/ivy or haswell. They have 2 times less cores, it's pretty normal they heat around 2 times less.

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15:08 Sep-04-2014

wait can the i3 sandy even overclock?

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15:09 Sep-04-2014

yes, years back I argued with both Intel and Pip, but it's possible by increasing BCLK even on locked cpu :Đ

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15:32 Sep-04-2014

nice :)

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16:39 Sep-04-2014

Sandy B produces more heat than the Haswell, when OC'ed to 4,5GHz they can draw quite a bit of power and run hotter. But i had a I7-2600, only did 65C with stock cooler.


Just some forum link doesn't mean anything imho, google "random CPU" + hot and every CPU runs hot if you know what i mean

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16:55 Sep-04-2014

why did you buy an i5 4670k when you had an i7 2600?

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17:21 Sep-04-2014

I7-2600 (together with Mobo) was killed by a very bad PSU :(

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17:39 Sep-04-2014

that hurts. :(

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19:35 Sep-04-2014

Know that feel bro :/

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20:30 Sep-04-2014

it happend to one of the PCs my father had, he had a hd 3850 and athlon 64 x2 back in the day when they were high-end and the PSU fried everything except the ram, hdd and dvd. :(

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20:32 Sep-04-2014

I had an 1055T, now I have this athlon thingy :(

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21:10 Sep-04-2014

you have an athlon?

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21:17 Sep-04-2014

He has AMD Athlon II X2 245 in his desktop

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21:18 Sep-04-2014

so his cpu diead? I remember him having an phenom ii x6.

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07:51 Sep-05-2014

'Know that feel bro' = the same happened to me ;)
Stupid PSUs :P

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07:56 Sep-05-2014

Thats why I always say - buy seasonic

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08:16 Sep-05-2014

And that's the PSU I will get with R9 285. :D

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09:48 Sep-05-2014

the most funny thing is that I don't know the brand of my psu...
I'm not sure if it's called PowerBox, but it sounds stupid...
It says that it's a 600W 87%+ efficient PSU, it isn't bronze,silver or gold rated, it works really well from my experience, but I can't find any info on it...
BTW It came as a replacement for the dead CM PSU I got....stupid waranty, never does what it's supposed to do.

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10:26 Sep-05-2014

I believe power supplies are only rated if they support 100V input (America and so on). countries such as the netherlands and a few others on europe have 220V.


It usually takes a few years before you'll see the power supplies malfunctioning (bulging / exploding electrolytic capacitors for example).

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10:50 Sep-05-2014

@Psycho if you upload a picture of the rail specification we can give some info about it if you want.


IFreak is right about the rating the reason why the Corsair VS has no rating because it's 220-240V.


We have 230V in the Netherlands btw, it used to be 220V but it's 230V for some time now :D

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11:28 Sep-05-2014

yeah it's 220V here as well.
http://i.imgur.com/RcQGtVb.jpg

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13:14 Sep-05-2014

@ifreak
80+ has a separate rating for 110V and 220V

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17:14 Sep-02-2014

Thank you!

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16:22 Sep-02-2014

it is better to have two sticks of 4gb ram memory

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16:44 Sep-02-2014

When gaming you don't see much / any difference when going with Dual-Channel instead.

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17:09 Sep-02-2014

I think I think IFreak01 is right,i went with the cheapest 8gb ram I could find.

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19:26 Sep-02-2014

ok i am sorry

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19:51 Sep-02-2014

I wouldn't be so sure; on a test system with a dedicated GPU Tweakers.net got (minimum values):
Grid 2
1x 8GB 1333MT/s: 18FPS
2x 4GB 1333MT/s: 27FPS
Shogun TW
1x : 16FPS
2x : 23FPS
Sleeping Dogs
1x : 7.6FPS
2x : 13.1FPS
All with an i7-4960X and HD7750 (imbalanced system but it shouldn't matter that much)
Here's the full article (in dutch though).

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22:26 Sep-02-2014

boom!!! i know i was right :D when that one stick die what will you do then?

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22:30 Sep-02-2014

I've seen this article already multiple times, but do you really think dual-channel alone would result in 10 more FPS? Does it sound reasonably to you?


For me it doesn't and I've seen more articles saying totally different results.


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22:39 Sep-02-2014

Regardless of benchmarks. I would rather ask you: "Is it worth to pay more (about 5 to 10 euro's or so)" for the maybe 1 to 5% performance boost he gets?

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22:41 Sep-02-2014

he can upgrade to 16 gb later :)

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22:52 Sep-02-2014

Again the Single vs Dual channel, something in my mind says to me i have to test it myself soon.


As multiple sources are contradicting on this subject.


I have my doubts about the Tweakers artickle though, they claim that HIGHER timings are better, i don't feel that's right

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