I need some PC build opinions.
Written by: EldinSC - 13:25 Jul-27-2017

Hello folks, how are you all? 

I'm currently in the process of creating a mid-range PC build. Since it is my first build and also a hefty chunk of money for me to give out, I am not rushing into it without extra precaution. I know there are more experienced  people out there than me when it comes to PC Hardware and I honestly want to hear different opinions on what I am considering to get. 

Option 1 - would be getting the i7-7700k, main advantage for me for this option is, that it has an iGPU that would serve me for some time until I get enough to get one of the better GPUs( like 1070, etc.)

 

Option 2- would be getting R7 1700, as it does not have an iGPU I need to get a dedicated GPU to go with it. If I go for this option I could get anything in ~250euro(300$).

 

Let me hear your opinions, pros, cons, and suggestions on which CPU I should go with and potential GPU I could go with. I would really appreciate it. 

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10:30 Jul-31-2017

If you are only going to game I would say neither of the 2. Get a ryzen r5 CPU of your choice and invest the extra money on your GPU. You will get much better gaming performance like that.


As for the question of the GPU... now it gets tricky. The availability and prices are kind of crazy right now. Also vega will be on the shelves in 15 days if you got the budget for that (400$ +)

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21:58 Jul-31-2017

as I agree with Loukas to some extent I would also consider future proofing yourself...
I got my i5 thinking i'd be good for a long time but it doesn't seem to be that way with all these cpu's flying at us these days and it does show it's lacking in some games as well... mainly open world...


I'd strongly consider a GOOD cpu (7700 or 1700) and go for a 1070/1080 (on sale)
even 580 8gb is ultra :)


as I said before you should really wait out coffee lake and now vega... see how prices look after these 2 launch...

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00:12 Aug-01-2017

Thanks guys for suggestions.. I already got my GPU.. i went for the 1060 6gb version.. Ordered it from the USA to Europe(i know a guy who knows a guy) won't pay any taxes, free shipping,etc.. for 300$... It's a bargain imo. Don't know what is wrong with European marketing. The same GPU on EU Amazon is 461$.

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04:21 Aug-01-2017

noice!

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11:27 Aug-01-2017

I don't consider future proofing to be a thing on PC :p. The difference between a same gen i5 and i7 is insignificant compared to the performance improvements of future hardware generations. If you want to be more on the safe side maybe a 6-core r5 but I'm pretty sure that unless you want to create some kind of content as well the r7 won't give you enough to justify the price increase over r5 (I believe the same about i5 and i7). Your choice. Have fun building your PC.

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22:34 Aug-02-2017

decided to go for r5, price increase is not worth it for now.. and it's better for me to invest in ssd and psu, that are a more logical parts to futureproof :D And thanks, I defo will have fun :)

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05:33 Aug-03-2017

well played

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21:25 Jul-28-2017
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17:01 Jul-28-2017

i7 is better http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-7700K-vs-AMD-Ryzen-7-1700/3647vs3917


it wouldn't be a bad idea to get it and ether use integrated video for a while until you save up more money for an amazing gpu or get something midrange like 1050ti to tide you over for a while until you can get a better gpu

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01:09 Jul-29-2017

Yeah. It is better in gaming and overall in lots of stuff, but people here warned me on some issues currently going on with 7700k.. So I'm not really prone to it. It does scare a person off.

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20:40 Jul-31-2017

I was just posting paper specs I never said it was amazing but if you are weary of it why even post it as a option jw?


and to whoever downvoted me shove your finger up your ass

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00:14 Aug-01-2017

Cus i7 7700k is still no doubt, a great CPU. and some of them would go for it and hope for the best, or they wouldnt be bothered with the problems.. Goal was to consider options, and hear from the ppl who owned such CPUs.

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02:17 Aug-01-2017

makes sense

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23:43 Jul-27-2017

wait for price drops or sales after coffee lake comes out

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16:01 Jul-27-2017

i will buy core i7 7700k.


can you buy gtx 1080ti?

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16:03 Jul-27-2017

No 1080ti is not an option. Something like 1050ti or 970 is reasonable for me.

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17:00 Jul-27-2017

imo something like 1060 as minimum worth buying, so eventually adjust the budget to match so

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18:33 Jul-27-2017

1600x paired with 1060 would be a great choice ?

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18:34 Jul-27-2017

well balanced, yes :)

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18:36 Jul-27-2017

have no problems runing my gpu at 99% all the time even on stock speed id say you can go even with 1080 ti if you want

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17:26 Jul-27-2017

what about gtx 980 4gb.

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18:35 Jul-27-2017

also an option, depends on price as it's older gen. :)

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15:37 Jul-27-2017

For mid range you should go with an unlocked i5 or ryzen and get a better gpu. I don't think you will need an unlocked i7 to run games at 1080p.

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14:50 Jul-27-2017

Well you know my opinion. :D
The R7 1700 due to superior overall performance, runs much cooler, has better 0.1% and 1% lows in games, often has the same averages as the i7 7700k and even in quite a few less popular (yet 2015-2017 AAA games) has higher average and you have to spend about 60$ for a 3rd party just to keep the i7 7700k cool. Then there are the temp spike issues with the i7 7700k, the micro-code issues, the hyper-threading issues, which do affect a big enough portion of the i7 7700k and overall kabylake consumers and the lack of physical hardware security.


And outside of games the R7 1700 hands down destroys the i7 7700k in 99.9% of software, except low threaded one due to the i7 7700k having higher clock speeds.

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14:52 Jul-27-2017

The B350 platform offers the same features, minus a couple of USBs and crossfire/sli, as the Z270 platform, but costs less.


The i7 7700k wins in single threaded performance from about 25% due to it's higher clock speeds and to overclock you need a high-end AIO or huge air cooler, while the R7 1700 can comfortably overclock to 3.7-3.8Ghz on the stock cooler and remain within good temperatures, reducing the difference in single threaded performance to 10-15%

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14:53 Jul-27-2017

Also the AM4 socket is here to stay until 2020-2021 and according to AMD Ryzen2/Zen2/Ryzen+ will have a good IPC gain and the clock speeds will be better as well. How true that is we are yet to see, but it seems legit considering 14nm vs 7nm is a huge jump.

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15:00 Jul-27-2017

I like the 1700. It is very compelling to go for it. But I do not want to rush into it. I see quite few ppl rooting for 1700 as it is a great cpu for the buck and it isnt that big of a difference to 7700k. Thanks on your input bro :D

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21:06 Jul-27-2017

No problems, always glad to help :)

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14:10 Jul-27-2017

Option 2 for sure alot more headroom for future gaming and to add z170 270 is practically on dead end but with am4 socket you can upgrade latter on

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14:06 Jul-27-2017

I had a 7700K and a now a 1700 (along other high-end CPUs, 4770K, 4790K, 5960X, 5820K and 6700K).


The 7700K would bottlebeck my 1080Ti in games like battlefield 1 and such, even at 5000mhz overclocked. The "slower" 1700 at only 3800 does not.


That was the main reason for me to switch.

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14:10 Jul-27-2017

Nice. Well did u have the heating issues at the 7700k as I've been told by people around here?


Hows the 1700 serving u now ?

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18:58 Jul-27-2017

Well you are just thinking of CPU and GPU, you should have to do some mgt in case of mobo and psu, If you are thinking of getting a high end mobo, then to manage the money this time go for a mid range $100 mobo, atleast it can save some money, In my openion 7700k over 1700 because intel is always an overkill for future too, in case of gpu you should have to manage money so you can atleast get a 3 Giga 1060 or a 4 Gig 970..

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14:13 Jul-27-2017

ain't the bottleneck also a matter of higher-than-1080p resolution you use? ;)

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19:02 Jul-27-2017

are you talking about 64 players match or single player


i heard it is very cpu dependent game

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11:38 Jul-29-2017

The 1700 is serving me well. Of course the bottleneck has something to do with the resolution, but a 5 ghz 7700K bottlenecking a 1080TI in games like Battlefield 1 at 1440P, it is not very impressive..

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13:42 Jul-27-2017

if you're right on budget, then rather get some used older rig (which would still be covered by warranty for at least half year), you could save lots of money and get fairly decent specs,
from my own experience, integrated graphics is really a piece of sh!t when it comes to playing games (unless you intend to play 10-year old games), so no reason to even consider it as an option worth paying for,
good gpu requires good power supply, not buying those together will mean either waste of money or risk of insufficient power demand,
R7 1700 is not what I'd call a "mid-range PC" cpu, why not just get 1600 or 1600X ?

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13:50 Jul-27-2017

Used PC is not an option. My budget is around 900eur(-1050$). As gaming is obvious stronghold of the PC. I am also in uni and interested in various stuff. I would like an all-rounder PC in renderings, 3d modelling,etc. as I don't know in which direction I'll choose to take my studies to. It could be programming, web design, web development, game design.. So I would like to get some power up there just in case. 1600x is not bad it could also be an option most definitely. PSU I consider anything at 650-700 watt 80+ good enough ?!

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14:12 Jul-27-2017

hmm now when you said it's supposed to be more of an all-round rig,
as a reference point do take a look at what I have,
definitely go for 6-core cpu - it's a nice balance between single&multi core performance (less cores means higher core clock while more cores are more handy at rendering and batch jobs) which means AMD's R5-1600X or Intel's i7-6800K (6800K costs only little more than 7700K in my country right now),
you should not underestimate RAM and probably go for 4x8GB (32GB) kit right away, similarly 500GB SSD is a must for OS+programs as it will prove a big time saver,
for PSU, I do recommend 80+GOLD rated modular whichever you'll like most, usually those are 750W or 850W best for price/power ratio,
about gpu, it's a very tricky thingy, because AMD cards are generally better for computing tasks (that's why miners went AMD all the way) but nVidia offers CUDA which many softwares can make use of very effectively, for rendering VRAM matters more than speed, so imo 6GB is a comfortable minimum nowadays

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14:17 Jul-27-2017

on the other hand, certain renderers and processing tasks such as Autodesk CFD use 2^n cpus, so 2,4,8,16 etc. where 6 cores will not be really better than 4 cores

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14:29 Jul-27-2017

You are really making a struggle for me here haha. I mean 1600x is as well not a bad CPU, but will it be able to hold on in the idk, lets say 2 years from now on ? Would 1700 be a better in a long run ?

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15:11 Jul-27-2017

my 5-year old i7-3770K is not struggling in any game my brother throws on it :D

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15:30 Jul-27-2017

Ehh, struggle is real :D We will see what I'll go for. I am not in a rush with time, so i can think about all of variants.

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