Less than a day until a real mid range GPU option is revealed.... or.... here comes Navi
Written by: TClawWolf - 20:41 Jan-08-2019

Anoyone else excited? Not trying to hate on the 2060, I'm sure it's a fine card, but not for the money....... $350 for a "mid range" card in my opinion is about the dumbest thing I've ever heard of, considering that $330 would have gotten you a 970 that was a tier above the "mid range" option back in the Maxwell era....... the RTX line as a whole just isn't a good value, and I get why it's more expensive.... new tech never comes cheap, but to say I'm less than impressed by what the end user is getting for his money in regards to visual enhancements/performance per dollar..... would be an understatement...... AMD has a chance to really turn this around and just completely dominate where it matters with Navi..... let's hope they don't screw this up, and let's hope we really do end up getting what everyone was speculating.... GTX 1080/Vega 64 performance for $250!


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If by some chance somebody knows someone from AMD pass on this msg. AMD don't up. This is your best shoot to kick Nvidia where it hurts, so you better deliver on the 250$ GPU.

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Well it was a 7nm Vega with massive 16GB Vram and price tag of 700$, not quite mid range, but it wasn't Navi…

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700$ is still less than the 1200$ for the 2080ti. The main thing will be the performance for the money. They better deliver.

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except that it competes with the 800$ RTX 2080 according to AMD and that's probably best case scenario…

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Hopefully it's kick the 2080 in ass.

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I actually set aside a good deal of money to upgrade to RTX 2080 alongside a new case, but seeing how the RTX reception are mostly poor, i think i will save and wait for the next generation..

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IF you have a gtx 1080, the RTX 2080 is a terrible upgrade performance-wise, value-wise and overall…

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I'd have to agree with Psychoman…….. think of the 20 series as a "beta" of sorts of a technology that has some potential, but not quite refined enough to really be of worth to the end user, but still bears the higher price tag of the beta tech…. it will be refined in later GPU generations, and theoretically the price should come down to actually make it a decent value… but right now, RTX just isn't worth it… and going from a 1080 to a 2080 would be more of a sidegrade than an upgrade.

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When does the AMD event start ?

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Well to be honest there are a three exact price tags that people gravitate towards.
around 100$, around 200$ and around, but less than 400$.


95%+ of people have desktop GPUs that cost less than 400$ and that takes into a count people that actually use their graphics card for work too, not just gaming. 85%+ of people have GPUs around 200$, so around 10% of people have GPUs between 200$ and 400$.


Basically nvidia is complaining about low sales, when there is nobody to sell to…


Now to AMD. Due to the huge price breathing room Nvidia has left them, I have the feeling AMD will be greedy and price their GPUs higher than they should be. I can totally see AMD pricing that better than gtx 1080 performing NAVI at 350$ due to the rtx 2060, but I hope they don't.

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Also the gtx 970 was so cheap due to them cutting out the bus, compute units, cache, leading to the infamous 3.5+0.5GB contreversy, which was brilliant on their part as the GPU couldn't benefit from that extra 0.5GB of Vram anyway, with the only problem being that the GPU actually used it which slowed things down a bit…


I was one of the very few who defended the gtx 970, it was a great decision by them finally acknowledge that they put too much vram and memory controllers in cut down GPUs…

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I'm sure they would have kept doing it, if not for the backlash that the gtx 970 got… so sad.

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Yeah I defended the 970 also, I thought it was probably the best deal going of that generation….. at that point in time, 3.5GB of VRAM was more than enough for 1080P, which most people with the budget for a 970 would have been running.

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Why switch from a gtx 970 to rx 480? Did it die?

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I never had a 970, I just seen it as a good option for the time

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I read "thought" as "bought" my bad.

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That's what I'm concerned about….. speculation has the price at $250, but I'm skeptical about that…. the fact that they released the 590 at $279 concerns me a little….. the card isn't worth that much and everyone knows it, it doesn't even offer 1070 performance….. We'll see though. I'm hoping the $250 speculation turns out to be true, but I wouldn't be that surprised if it doesn't.

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The RX 590 is at 14nm/12nm(really it's 20nm), at 7nm the die sizes will be much smaller(1.6x-2.0x times smaller).


This time the clock speeds should be high for the architecture, since Global Foundry's licensed from Samsung 14/12nm(20nm) is made for low power, low transistor count mobile chips and not for high power consumption, tons of transistor big(relative to mobile chips) dies, which made both Polaris/Vega and Zen/Zen+ suffer in terms of clock speeds and overclockability. Pushing high clock speeds had terrible diminishing returns in voltage, thus power and heat output.


It's the reason why Pascal actually surpassed Polaris and Vega in performance per die size.

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As I said the 250$ price tag for that gtx 1080-like Navi is correct if AMD doesn't overprice it due to the breathing room Nvidia has left them(lack of competition).


Now IMO chances are that it will be between the gtx 1070ti and gtx 1080 in performance, but I can't even guess the clock speeds that it will be running and no idea of any of the architectural changes from Polaris to Navi, so it can be higher.


I mean Vega 64+15% is definitely higher than gtx 1080, but we'll see.

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