Assistance on new pc, and my thoughts about the parts
Written by: Generalissimo - 01:04 Jul-17-2013

As the title says, the time has come to buy a new pc :D

I have some basic understanding of SOME hardware parts, and after reading many reviews and considering futureproofing, upgradeability and prices, these are the parts I have chosen for my new custom PC (which I shall assemble with the assistance of a technician):

CPU: FX8320 because, although according to benchmarks for current games the performance of this and fx6300 is similar, I don't feel like upgrading CPU for quite a while, and I hope the 8 cores will perform better than the 6 cores on the new console-related games

GFX: HD7870 Sapphire GHz Edition   Although I was going for the xt (tahiti LE) version, I didn't like its noise and temperatures, while the price of HD7870 dropped a lot suddenly

Case: CoolerMaster Elite 430   Cause it has plenty of space, even for 11'' long graphics cards, decent cooling, fits (hopefully) any kind of future upgrade i ll make, is cheap and good-looking :D

RAM: 8GB dual channel (one single part for now, and i ll add another 8 gb in the future), either 1600mhz or 1866mhz and as low timings as possible. The series i am mostly interested into right now is Corsair Vengeance, although any other proposal is welcome!

Storage: Any decent 1 or 2 TB, they don't seem very different to me, so i 'll go for a company with good reputation. I might add an SSD later, for the OS and minecraft (SSDs really help this game), or a second small hard drive for the OS and keep all my files in the big one.

Cooling: Besides the case's frontal fan, i ll add 2 more, one on the back-top, and another on top. I hope it will be enough. Also, since I don't plan to do OC at least for some years, I'll keep the CPU's stock cooler for now (unless you really insist another one is necessary).

I kept motherboard and PSU for the end. Please assist me based on this knowledge on what

I want to do with my pc:

1) It is essential upgrade GPU in the future(~5 years), with perhaps something better for its time (eg HD9950 or something like that), and thus, probably more power-hungry

2) Have low temperatures

3) Overclock either cpu or gfx (or both) ONLY in the future (~4 years)

4) Have a built of good quality that will last, yet for a decent price

5) I don't wanna upgrade PSU in the future, which is why I'd like to get a good one now

6) I won't probably need more than 2 hard drives/ssds, and a dvd-player of course

7) I DON'T plan to crossfire.

8) I know I should consider a 3rd gen i5, but I ll put my trust in the new consoles making games utilize more cores :3 Besides, I wouldn't be able to sleep/game well knowing I supported a company asking me 1000$ for their six-cores :S (no AMD fanboyism intended, just supporting the right company so that the market won't be monopolised and we all won't be getting bad products for high prices)

The motherboard I am considering is ASRock FX970 Extreme 3


When it comes to PSU, i'd like some help on these products. They are of different price ranges and efficiency levels, but I think their prices are interesting for the quality they offer. Any other proposal welcome!

Corsair AX Series AX860 80Plus Platinum @ 176 euros

Corsair HX Series HX750 80Plus Gold @ 136 euros

Corsair Builder Series CX750 80Plus Bronze @ 85 euros

Corsair GS Series GS800 80Plus Bronze “2013 Edition” @ 99 euros

Thermaltake Smart SE 730W 80Plus Bronze @ 76 euros

 

 

The motherboard and the PSU are my weakest points in terms of knowledge, so please be extra helpful on these :D

I ll be playin on a 1080p screen (or perhaps a 1200p), with 2.0 speakers. If I forgot something, inform me, please.

Thanks for being super awesome everyone \(^_^)/

 

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14:13 Jul-17-2013

2 more addings:
1) I plan to use only ONE screen
2) I 'm thinking Windows 7 ultimate 64 bit, instead of win8, cause i really need compatibility with win xp older games

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16:07 Jul-17-2013

DEFS windows 7, windows 8 is not doing great in gaming.

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17:08 Jul-17-2013

More FPS and better startup time, just some older games that might take some more effort to be able to play...

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17:30 Jul-17-2013

yea, as mdm said, Windows 7 ;)

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17:06 Jul-18-2013

I want to see some new test with win7 vs win8 on FX cpu
or win8.1
Right now it looks like win8 is fast as 7 with annoying tablet ui

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11:22 Jul-17-2013

Its good rig, maybe its better to wait for hd9950 and for ram
mushkin redline or crucial ballistix 1866 9-9-9 are great kits and for very good price
for cpu, how much fx-8350 cost in your country, here it is 15 euro more and if you plan to OC after years, it will be little better choice

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11:27 Jul-17-2013

lul here FX-8320 costs only
18€ more than FX-6350 and
38€ less than FX-8350
:P

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11:40 Jul-17-2013

FX-8350 for almost 200 euro ...Alza? :-D
nah there are better prices, I found one for 170e in gigastore

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13:01 Jul-17-2013

nope, FX-8320 for 143€ on CZC.CZ =Đ

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18:06 Jul-17-2013

gigastore have one for 128.50e, shiat thats tempting! :-D

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14:16 Jul-17-2013

to be honest, I think I could buy a 25-euro HD5450 and just play minecraft in small resolution, and then buy 9950 while puttin 5450 in my old pc (in place of HD2400), which would be a small upgrade too. But are there any news on when the new Radeon GFXs will come out? i last heard of autumn, and I don't know If i wanna wait that much :S
Thanks for the ram proposals, these seem to be cheaper here too!
FX8350-185euro FX8320-145 FX6300-105, the three most interesting ones in terms of price

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15:47 Jul-17-2013

HD9000 series will be october, releasing together with BF4. Just get an FX-8320 an OC it instead of getting an FX-8350. You won't get an OC as big as the 8350, but it should still be quite substantial.

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18:04 Jul-17-2013

What debator said. Run stress test for some 10-20 hours and if it survive without any error, OC it to 4ghz ...TADAAA you have cheap FX-8350

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10:26 Jul-17-2013

Why not go with the CX600m? It should have enough power and it's modular :)
The Asrock motherboard is fine, but I'm not sure if the 970 chipset supports overclocking.
On the rest of the parts: It looks like you got yourself a very good system in there, but as Mukul said: consider the GTX760, depending on the price. If it's &#60€30 more expensive than the card you're currently considering (with a good cooling system), go get that.

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16:48 Jul-18-2013

it's at 75 euros, hmmm.. interesting, but i dont know enough about psu to choose by myself.
OCing just seems worse and worse in my head the more i think about it!

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09:39 Jul-17-2013

why dont you consider a GTX 760
i checked on new egg and the overclocked versions of the 7870 and the GTX 760 cost almost the same and the 760 will be better that a 7870

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09:43 Jul-17-2013

GTX760 costs about 50$ more than HD7870 in my country :P
*some GTX760 cost even more than HD7950 here :O

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09:44 Jul-17-2013

o.O
i cant really comment on the 760 price here, as it has not released here yet

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11:16 Jul-17-2013

same here, gtx760 have uncompetitive price

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16:46 Jul-18-2013

7870 is at 187 euros, 760 is at -265euros
What would be the choice of PSU amongst these ones for you guys?
Even if I OC a bit, at worst case scenario I ll need 550-600 effective watts i think.
recommended amperages?
thanks!

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17:43 Jul-18-2013

Around 40A I think :)

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17:44 Jul-18-2013

^

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18:42 Jul-18-2013

ALL of the psus i am considering have at least 56A, which i guess is good! (or overkill, yeah..)

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16:11 Jul-21-2013

More than enough :D

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19:14 Jul-18-2013

over here 7870 is around £190, and the GTX 760 is around £210-£230 and 7950 is around £220-£260 so the fact that gtx 760 has better performance, it's a no brainer for me

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19:58 Jul-18-2013

7950 for sure

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16:13 Jul-21-2013

the 770 gives better perfirmance at 1080p for me it has to be the 760.

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09:27 Jul-17-2013

Extremely nice build ;)

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16:47 Jul-18-2013

Thanks Tero!

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08:11 Jul-17-2013

I see you took my advice from my blog article :Đ
balanced rig overall..
1) in 4 years who knows what may come :)
2) then you might consider some liquid cooling for cpu (even in future)
3) THEN you might rather get 990FX chipset mobo instead of 970
4) then prepare for cleaning at least 1x/month
5) gfx cards tend to provide better performance with less and less wattage in future, choose PSU also by amperage :)
6) 2 HDDs (or 1 HDD + 1 SSD) is very much recommended by me, because it's always faster to have OS on one drive and games/programs/data on the other
7) wise, I think it's quite useless and inefficient if you plan to have only one monitor
8) just don't forget i7s have 4 cores and 8 threads, and overall performs better than this FX, and at lower power consumption (but i7s are noticeably more expensive and only K versions can be OCed :P
for PSU, I think 750W 80% is enough (delivering 600W effectively)

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16:41 Jul-18-2013

1)Well, I am not interested in running future games in max graphics, but i want playable framerates fora few years (/futureproofing) cause i dont feel like upgrading for a while.
2)From what i know, both air and water cpu coolers for amd cpus of the last years have been compatible with newer products, right? In that case, i ll considre it in some time.
3)I don't wanna super-overclock, i might not overclock at all, so i ll go for 970.
4)I am well-prepared :D
5)what amperage would you recommend so that i can upgrade to a better future gpu? (just prediction)
6)yep:D&#60br

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16:44 Jul-18-2013

7) only one monitor. for life!
8)i have calculated even the power cost over time, based on time i ll be using my pc, fx still rocks ;)
9)from the products listed above, if i only light-overclock, and if i wanna make a gpu upgrade in future, which would you reccomend the most?
thanks a lot!

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07:57 Jul-17-2013

Psu terms - all of it is good but if you not ganna use all the power why spend extra money? go for the gs800 (still good to crossfire and oc) to save money
Then (according to my knowledge) the amd chipset 990 is better then a 970? So I would use the money saved from psu add it to the mobo most amd socket mobo don't have nice features though so take your time deciding.
you do know a console is not a pc?? If you not planing to oc or upgrade soon then I'D suggest a FX-8350 with aftermarket cooling- Hyper 212 with 2 CM- jetflo would be cheapest better choice over most coolers.
A gcard with temps at 70 is normal, the old HD4800 ran at 85+ and that was normal.
8GB dual channel kit is 2x4GB - I'd go with 2x4GB (dual channel 128bit) over 1x8gb (single channel64bit)
newer tech runs faster uses less power and gives off less heat then old tech.

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16:36 Jul-18-2013

[going to post this in many comments]
i calculated that in worst case scenario, and by overclocking, I ll need about 550 watts, with 600 recommended. This means that if I buy a 750W with 80% efficiency I get 750 x 80 / 100 = 600 watts?
also, what amperages would you recommend for a relatively good future gfx upgrade?

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23:04 Jul-22-2013

25A on 3.3+ , 25A on 5+ , 70- A on 12+ and 0.5-A on -12 , it generally doesn't ork that way - you see most manufacturers put rec 500W buty don't put the amps , I bought a 600W the amps are so low when I upgraded to ivybridge with hd7970 - the 12V rail would turn into a 11V rail and 90% of the time not even turn on my pc. I ran a i5-760 OC to 4.2GHz , 16GB ram OC to 1800MHz and a HD6870 - on a 400W that had no EPS12V cable and no PCIe cables and NOT 1 Sata power cable..
IF money isn't a problem I'll go with An AX1200 -

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05:02 Jul-17-2013

Looks great. The ASRock Extreme 3 is a great mobo, and the rest of the parts you picked out should work well together. When the HD 9000 series comes out, you should be able to find another 7870 for really cheap, so Crossfire is viable. I would go with the AX860 for the power supply. Check this out to make sure your parts will work with it: http://www.extreme.outervision.com/psucalculatorlite.jsp
The only other thing is I really think you should go with an aftermarket CPU cooler. I had to use the stock cooler because I was waiting on an adapter for my aftermarket one. My CPU killed the stock cooler in about 30 seconds. There is no way that cooler actually works. Go for a Hyper 212 Evo.

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14:34 Jul-17-2013

well, even when HD9000 comes out, i dont think 7870 will fall more than 5 euros, cause 185 is already too low for my country's hardware prices :D
HD7850 is 180 euros, so close, lol!
What i fear about crossfire in the future, is stuttering, when the games get too demanding and i get less than 30 fps. so i d rather keep some money now, and upgrade in -4 years. hmmm... yeah, i ll seriously consider a cooler then! Thanks for the site!

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16:35 Jul-18-2013

[going to post this in many comments]
With the site, i calculated that in worst case scenario, and by overclocking, I ll need about 550 watts, with 600 recommended. This means that if I buy a 750W with 80% efficiency I get 750 x 80 / 100 = 600 watts?
also, what amperages would you recommend for a relatively good future gfx upgrade?

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19:38 Jul-18-2013

Well, with cards like the 770 needing 42 amps on the +12volt rail, I would recommend you try to find one with at least 50 amps, but anything over 40 is good. Efficiency in power supplies doesn't work like that. You'll still get the full 750w, but it will have to draw more power from the wall to make that happen. So, your 750w power supply might pull 850w to 900w to keep 750w available.

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14:42 Jul-19-2013

Thanks a lot :D
all of the psus i am considering have 56+ Amperage :D , even the 'cheap' ones

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02:25 Jul-17-2013

congrats buddy good luck with your new rig :)

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14:25 Jul-17-2013

thank you karkar!

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01:55 Jul-17-2013

I'll respond tomorrow, gotta sleep now lol :D

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14:23 Jul-17-2013

[shutting down all unecessary procedures.
shutting down vision
shutting down conscious thinking mode
enabling subconscious dreaming mode
enabling energy restoration mode
dream process began]

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16:02 Jul-17-2013

LOL! That's right! :D

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01:08 Jul-17-2013

Correction on motherboard name: It's ASRock 970 Extreme3 , without the "FX"

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