AMD Claim Nvidia Is Crippling Watch Dogs Experience For Radeon Owners

Written by Jon Sutton on Wed, May 28, 2014 12:35 PM
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It’s common knowledge now that Nvidia has partnered up with Ubisoft to optimise Watch Dogs for GeForce hardware, but AMD has now lashed out at Nvidia, claiming its Gameworks support is crippling AMD performance and damaging the PC ecosystem.

AMD technical communications lead Robert Hallock is the man leading the claims, saying that Nvidia is unfairly forcing developers not to optimise their games for AMD hardware…

Watch Dogs is the latest game to provide support for Nvidia Gameworks, which provides tools and technologies for developers that allows them to easily debug, profile and optimise their code for Nvidia hardware. It’s been an ever-present name in recent months, supporting big-hitting titles such as Call of Duty: Ghosts, Batman: Arkham Origins, Assassin’s Creed IV: Black Flag, and now Watch Dogs.

Hallock said in an interview with Forbes that “Gameworks represents a clear and present threat to gamers by deliberately crippling performance on AMD products (40% of the market) to widen the margin in favor of NVIDIA products. Participation in the Gameworks program often precludes the developer from accepting AMD suggestions that would improve performance directly in the game code—the most desirable form of optimization.

It doesn’t end there though, with Hallock claiming that the Gameworks integration itself causes complications in the code that can prevent AMD from ever properly optimising the titles for its Radeon range.

The code obfuscation makes it difficult to perform our own after-the-fact driver optimizations, as the characteristics of the game are hidden behind many layers of circuitous and non-obvious routines.

This change coincides with NVIDIA’s decision to remove all public Direct3D code samples from their site in favor of a ‘contact us for licensing’ page. AMD does not engage in, support, or condone such activities.

Do you agree that Nvidia isn’t playing fair with its Gameworks integration?

Or has AMD dropped the ball in the graphics race?

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00:30 Jun-04-2014

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14:09 May-29-2014

Tough I am Nvidia owner, I don't agree with this kind of ***, because if AMD is out of the game, Nvidia will do whatever the fck they want...

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17:57 Jun-08-2014

*Though.
Tough means strong ;)

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19:22 Jun-08-2014

I agree the same reason we need AMD processors to compete with Intel other wise all the prices would rise.

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21:56 Jun-08-2014

AMD can compete Intel in low-end,mid range and low-high-end segments,but it cannot compete in High-end segment,so that is why,for example,i7 4960X is so expensive (1000$),and even price for i7 4770K could be lower i think,but it has no real AMD competitor,unless if you wanna go with FX 9590 with 220W TDP -.-

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13:12 May-29-2014

Nvidia is just not doing this right. We amd users are being compromised of gaming performance almost everytime. Wen amd partners wid any game developer, the game just works fine on both amd and nvidia. But nvidia does this everytime!!!

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12:13 May-29-2014

This is nothing new I think. I remember back when Batman Arkham Origin devs favoured nVIDIA and Tomb Raider worked better on Radeon cards. It's just that WD is hyped up so much AMD made a big deal about it.

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09:04 May-29-2014

nVidia know that they can never beat AMD when it comes to price:performance, so they make sure people fork out the extra $200? Not cool nVidia, if you want more buyers play fair and lower your damn prices!

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08:30 May-29-2014

To whomever posted that it's business stuff: Mate "business" is the reason the world's in a mess.

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08:23 May-29-2014

its not good Nor its fair . IF u dont want to optimize for AMD . How can you expect that people using AMD products will buy it ? (PS I am not talking about Piracy.)

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07:53 May-29-2014

FCKVIDIA.
When I saw the nvidia - amd W_D benchmarks, I almost wanted to go nvidia. Turns out it's not because of their good drivers, it's 'cause greenvidia is a piece of **** company
To be honest, I actually think if AMD dominated the GFX market, they still wouldn't dare to pull shiet like this

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07:08 May-29-2014

This article also made me think, what if a 3rd competitor joined into the gpu war?

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06:57 May-29-2014

The game performs like crap on both sides of the market, my 2 MSI GTX 760's and 4.0ghz i5 should not be getting hammered like they are in a game that looks worse then my Skyrim does!

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05:59 May-29-2014

It saddens me that nvidia is taking such a drastic approach and attempting to gradually monopolize PC gaming in they favor sorrowful indeed.

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05:47 May-29-2014

This game isn't even optimized for Nvidia hardware. I can't even get it to run at a solid 60 fps at the high preset. It's barely playable at ultra/temp msaa/hbao+.

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05:32 May-29-2014

Nvidia is just not doing this right. We amd users are being compromised of gaming performance almost everytime. Wen amd partners wid any game developer, the game just works fine on both amd and nvidia. But nvidia does this everytime!!

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05:26 May-29-2014

Nvidia is just not doing this right. We amd users are being compromised of gaming performance almost everytime. Wen amd partners wid any game developer, the game just works fine on both amd and nvidia. But nvidia does this everytime. Ac 3 a

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05:25 May-29-2014

Nvidia is just not doing this right. We amd users are being compromised of gaming performance almost everytime. Wen amd partners wid any game developer, the game just works fine on both amd and nvidia. But nvidia does this everytime. Ac 3 a

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05:17 May-29-2014

Well on my point of view, i think the release of MANTLE has made Nvidia is insecure and not accepting the fact that AMD is really doing the best to make their customers feel the very best of gaming xperience WHILE Nvidia is geared up customers money... do they think this move will make them a better competitor winners?

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05:14 May-29-2014

Nvidia is just not doing this right. We amd users are being compromised of gaming performance. Wen amd partners wid any game developer, the game works just fine both on amd and nvidia. But nvidia does this everytime. Ac 3 and 4 for example.

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05:09 May-29-2014

Well i knw AMD will always win the competition on fair grounds.....

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05:08 May-29-2014

On my point of view, i think the release of mantle API has made Nvidia so insecure to agree on the fact that AMD is really making the effort of letting consumers get the very best and real time gaming experienced while Nvidia is REALLY geared up on consumers money(thats bad)...

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04:56 May-29-2014

Oh dear, Nvidia outplayed AMD, big deal. Or not.
I don't mind the two companies duking it out, but the effects on AMD users is unfair.

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