Nvidia Hits Back At AMDs Claims That It Is Damaging Optimisation For Radeon Owners

Written by Stuart Thomas on Thu, May 29, 2014 5:16 PM
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After yesterday’s debacle concerning accusations from AMD levelled at Nvidia that its Gameworks program was crippling AMD performance and damaging the PC ecosystem, Nvidia has hit back.

Nvidia’s director of engineering Cem Cebenoyan rubbished AMD’s claims, saying it’s a mystery why AMD would think this and that requesting access to a game’s source code is 'crazy'...

Yesterday AMD’s Robert Hallock claimed that Nvidia was unfairly forcing developers not to optimise their games for AMD hardware, saying that Nvidia Gameworks integration caused code complications that prevented AMD from properly optimising its drivers.

Nvidia’s Cebenoyan said made it clear in retaliation that Nvidia had never restricted any developer from gaining access to its Gameworks tools. He went on to state that this wasn't the case with Watch Dogs or any other titles for that matter, despite the Gameworks partnerships.

While AMD claims that the relationship between Nvidia and Ubisoft is having a negative impact on PC gaming, Nvidia claim that the collaboration is merely there to improve the performance for PC gamers, with developers free to make whatever decisions they want. 

AMD's Robert Hallock sounded adamant earlier this week that Nvidia's Gameworks was intrinsically linked into Watch Dogs' source code, making it more difficult to optimise for Radeon cards. Cebenoyan was dismissive though, insisting that access to the source code is in no way important to optimise a PC game.

Shots fired then, as AMD and Nvidia wage a war of words.

Are AMD playing up the need for a game’s source to optimise it for AMD hardware?

Do you believe Nvidia’s claims that it is not restricting developers from optimising for Radeon?

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00:24 Jun-04-2014

Shots fired

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14:08 May-30-2014

This fits here perfectly hahahaha

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15:57 May-30-2014

Repost the link dude , Not working xP

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16:16 May-30-2014

GD is adding italic text because there is this :-D
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16:24 May-30-2014

not working

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And once again I can edit that and also _ disappeared .....aaahhh
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16:39 May-30-2014

HAHAHAHAHA :D

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16:55 May-30-2014

LOL :D

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12:54 May-30-2014

Just seems like AMD are getting worried that Nvidia is out performing them

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07:36 May-30-2014

look, i really dont care who has what. In some games ive played it says optimized for AMD, or best experience on Nvidia, the way it meant to be played. Making a game that is optimized for one or the other is wrong. Making a game that runs better on your hardware and so it will have more or better features cos someone forked out alot of money is rubbish. Stop "bribing" us to buy your brands

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07:25 May-30-2014

If Nvidia hadn't agreement with Ubisoft,then Ubisoft says a lies. they said Watch Dogs will greatly optimized...!! x_X


whose fault...?? Nvidia or Ubisoft...??

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08:29 May-30-2014

Hang both of them...

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04:53 May-30-2014

Yes, It's possible to optimize the game without being given the source code by finding out the code themselves. But the problem is NVIDIA is DELIBERATELY OBFUSCATING the source code,making it impossible to see the code and optimize the game. NVIDIA must think the AMD people are idiots, Saying " Developers are free to give builds out to whoever they want. It’s their product.” NVIDIA IS PAYING UBISOFT to access to the code, so they aren't going to allow access to AMD.

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04:52 May-30-2014

Yes, It's possible to optimize the game without being given the source code by finding out the code themselves. But the problem is NVIDIA is DELIBERATELY OBFUSCATING the source code,making it impossible to see the code and optimize the game. NVIDIA must think the AMD people are idiots, Saying " Developers are free to give builds out to whoever they want. It’s their product.” NVIDIA IS PAYING UBISOFT to access to the code, They obviously aren't going to allow access to

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00:28 May-30-2014

never thought i would live to see a day where two large company like this fight against each other just over one game.

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00:07 May-30-2014

I'm not entirely sure AMD is right. I run Watch_Dogs at Ultra no AA @ 58fps avg @ 1080p. It's not badly optimised for AMD at all.

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23:06 May-29-2014

I think those quotes are all really strawmen, I mean depending on how you see it either side could be lying, but until one ofthemprovidedocumentsofproof itstied

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22:26 May-29-2014

i have been to both sides in the past and think nvidia have always had better user support and driver optimization.Developers should develop their game and companies adapt drivers for game to gpu for their consumers who buy their logo.END

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21:26 May-29-2014

What about all the problems Tomb Raider caused for Nvidia users? It goes both ways....

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21:18 May-29-2014

Then AMD will do the same thing and strike back

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21:16 May-29-2014

EPIC RAP BATTLE!!!

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20:20 May-29-2014

Seeing both Nvidia and AMD logos on the same page in the same game is probably the best thing for gamers, too bad it may never happening.

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14:08 May-31-2014

Seen it once,i think it was Bioshock Infinite

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19:56 May-29-2014

If it was amd that was in the lead it would have been nvidia crying and so on.. its just like in politics! :)
competition is good and thats why im sad that there is only 2 players ingame, a third would be cool!

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21:56 May-29-2014

OMG someone gave me -1 :-O im gonna cry myself to sleep tonight! LOL but listen, its true! its big corporations in a nutshell, they act like empires. there is no need to blindley defend any of them.

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19:32 May-29-2014

I'm 100% sure that nvidia has to do something with such a bad optimization for AMD cards.I don't know have you folks noticed it but since AMD started to make really serious competition to nvidia with the relase of R-200 series almost every game which was optimized for nvidia had very,very bad optimization for AMD at the same time (AC4,AC4 Freedom Cry,CoD Ghosts,Watch Dogs) while the games optimized for AMD (BF4) still had good optimization even for nvidia.

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19:33 May-29-2014

That's pretty dirty trick from nvidia if you ask me :/

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19:44 May-29-2014

you can't be 100% sure unless you are in on it ;)
it's possible that they are somehow making optimization hard for AMD. but just because some guy says it's true doesn't make it true.
if there is any credence here, it WILL be brought to light and solved.
we're all pc gamers. let's not make this an xbox/ps4 scenario

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20:28 May-29-2014

Amd drivers blow. If the game isn't specifically optimized for amd, then i'm not surprised that performance is bad. Here's evidence where amd drivers blow, dual graphics blows. I'm talking laptop dual graphics btw. Even on kaveri they can't get it right. There has been GENERATIONS of bad driver support.

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23:37 May-29-2014

For me,drivers were just fine since few last nvidia optimized games...I'm not really accusing anyone,but this is just strange.Could be that it's just Ubisoft too lazy to optimize the game for AMD cards :P That up here was just one of potential options.It's really strange,that's all

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19:18 May-29-2014

I'm running this game pretty smooth with my AMD gear, so whatever... :D

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22:02 May-29-2014

I'm running with stuttering issues with 780ti, 80fps down to 40fps when driving

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19:05 May-29-2014

yawn


On both Nvidia and AMD GPUs this game runs subpar. I don't care for who sabotages who. All this fanboy stuff can go somewhere I'm not at. I only want my games to be optimised efficiently, which worked pretty decently up until now

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19:35 May-29-2014

finally someone said it

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20:05 May-29-2014

Can ran it very well with everything on ultra and 2x AA. FPS stays above 30 almost eveywhere excepting while driving. When driving fps drop around 20-25.

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00:04 May-30-2014

Excatly my fps is all over the place especially when driving and the game definitely wont look so good that a damn 780 ti should f#ck around on damn 1080p.

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09:13 May-30-2014

Add disablepagefilecheck to your watchdogs.exe
Fixed the stuttering for me, running maxed out without AA on 1440p pretty smooth now

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13:10 May-30-2014

Worth trying. I fixed it by reducing textures to high now it runs well even on 4x msaa ultra still takes 2.8 gigs of vram but wont exceed 3 so it wont stutter. But i try that. My proplem still might have been just memory shortage. 3 gb isn`t enough for this card.

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18:22 May-29-2014

They are both acting like children

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