Nvidia Planning 14nm Pascal Refresh With Higher Clock Speeds In 2017

Written by Stuart Thomas on Wed, Sep 28, 2016 11:33 AM

While AMD has plenty of exciting stuff in the pipeline with regards to its next-gen Vega GPU, 2017 is looking a little more conservative for Nvidia, at least at this early stage. According to fresh reports, next year Nvidia will introduce a Pascal refresh before following up with the true next-gen Volta in 2018.

The Pascal refresh will allegedly reuse the same Pascal GPUs, such as the GP102 which was used for the GeForce GTX 1080 and the Titan X Pascal. Nvidia has chosen to refine this GPU rather than move to an all new product. This is much like the jump from the Nvidia GTX 600 series to the GTX 700 series, so expect to see Pascal shift from 16nm FinFET down to the 14nm FinFET node, bringing with it moderate performance (clock speed) and efficiency improvements, as well as driving down the price.

It also seems likely that the higher-speed GDDR5X might begin to find its way into more of the GTX 11 family than we’ve got with the current 10 Series. At the moment only the GTX 1080 and Titan X Pascal benefit from the higher speed memory, with the rumoured GTX 1080 Ti utilising bog-standard GDDR5.

For those who’ve bought any of the current crop of Pascal graphics cards, it does mean there’s both life and value in them for a good few years yet. The likes of the GeForce GTX 1080 are only really going to be significantly outstripped when Volta arrives (presumably in 2018).

A case of refinement rather than revolution for Nvidia in 2017 then, does this affect your graphics card upgrade plans? Will a simple Pascal refresh be enough to stave off the impending threat of AMD Vega?

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09:50 Oct-01-2016

basicaly refreshing the Pascal is just a PR move from Nvidia since Vega is coming out and they need publicity... i skipped pascal since it doesnt make sense to me to buy every gen... i kinda like the "skip one gen" move and since Volta is comming out iin 2018 i think i made a good move....

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00:33 Sep-29-2016

keeping my 980 tis until the volta 1180 ti or whatever it will be called

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19:32 Sep-28-2016

out of curiosity... did maxwell(900's) had its own refresh ?

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20:22 Sep-28-2016

Well... no? 980Ti can't be considered as a refresh.
nVidia just knows they made a huge step forward with Pascal and as well they know they have a comfortable lead in the high-end GPU scene so they're not planning to rush a development of a completely new graphics series...

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19:26 Sep-28-2016

...I was hoping Volta was next year. That puts a damper on my upgrade plans. If Pascal 2.0 cannot do 4K Ultra @60fps then it looks like I'm waiting 2 years instead of just 1 to make the 4K transition.
Of course if Volta isn't ready, I'd prefer they make sure it is before they release it.

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19:38 Sep-28-2016

Considering that graphics for games keep improving at a very fast pace, and with it the Ultra-high requirements, I doubt Volta will give you single card safe stable 60fps 4k high-ultra performance either.

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20:18 Sep-28-2016

Which is a problem, because NVIDIA seems to be throwing SLI under the bus with the newer drivers. Not all games have good SLI optimization/implementation either and the upfront cost of SLI is high.
But, I would have to agree with you. 2 years is a long time and a single Volta may not be enough for the latest games.

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11:35 Sep-29-2016

Considering how games and drivers are getting more and more unstable I don't think chasing newest games on 4k is worth it...unless you got $ unlimited lol...

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19:11 Sep-28-2016

So it will also miss out Async due to same architecture :/

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18:35 Sep-28-2016

It's interesting to see Nvidea refresh their cards, but I don't see the reason why. When AMD refreshed the 200 line as the 300 line a lot of people were upset that all they were getting was a refinement as opposed to a full generational leap. So why take that route, Nvidea? It seems to me more of a marketing ploy to keep Nvidea products interesting until 2018. If I were to have bought a Nvidea 1000 line card I'd be more than annoyed.

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22:27 Sep-28-2016

To be fair, AMD released the 200 series in 2013, and they didn't refresh it until 2015, which is twice the time Nvidia is taking to refresh their cards. And, as someone who did buy a 1000 series card, I am actually very happy with this as I can't upgrade often and this means my card could be more relevant for a longer period of time. If I had bought a 960 when it launched, that card would already be fairly low performance compared to the new 1060. However, if the 1160 isn't as much of a leap in performance, then my 1060 will stay more relevant for longer. That's my thinking anyway.

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13:37 Sep-28-2016

If that's a 1080ti I am fine with it, if it's the 11xx cards I would be pretty pissed, not because I got a 1080 but because every year a new gen would just be way too quick in my opinion. Sounds like making money with many tiny jumps and reusing old technology rather than a big jump and new technology every 2 years.

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15:56 Sep-28-2016

Well, how are you planning on playing ubisoft's games when you need a new gpu with every new game of them. (Optimalization jokes)

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13:09 Sep-28-2016

Hardly a year from now and they plan to sell modified GPUs of the same architecture and possibly at a reduced price. Usually do not like playing the waiting game as I have to build a new PC, but now I am not even sure when to invest in it. Was going to wait for the 1080 Ti but what if they are planning to move to the 14nm refresh. More Questions...

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14:29 Sep-28-2016

You can't keep up with the latest tech, buddy. Impossible. I got my 1080SLI at launch and a few months later - there's a Titan. Then a 1080Ti, then refreshes, then Volta, then something else, blah blah blah. Buy now, enjoy and don't think about it. Otherwise you'll wait forever for the right GPU, buy it and then get disappointed again when the new one comes out ("ah, could have waited for this 2nm quantum GPU! Grrrr!")

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19:11 Sep-28-2016

Well your 1080 SLI is a better choice over Titan. Getting a new lineup every year will make it easier on developers to optimize game more poorly.

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07:09 Sep-29-2016

I liked that there was a gap between Maxwell and Pascal. Really gave us time to enjoy those gpu. I do agree that we should buy for now rather than wait for later. I am waiting for the right moment to get the right hardware that could last me a while and give me what I want in terms of performance. I think when the Ti comes out , it will be my cue as there will also be kaby lake & new motherboards

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16:42 Sep-29-2016

Yeah.. I would wait for 2-3 months max.
That is understandable.

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20:55 Oct-02-2016

If you know something is right around the corner - sure, go for it. It's what I did too, I waited till Pascal dropped and bought my 1080s at launch, then build the PC. It's been almost 5 months now that I've been enjoying my cards and it's a great feeling not having to worry about tech for a while. Glad I bought back then rather than now.
I also think it's best to buy the top parts too - they last longer and you don't feel the urge to upgrade so soon when other parts drop :)

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04:20 Oct-03-2016

I think Mid parts are best value for money.
You can upgrade every year if you want and same money rather than high end and next year, you ill pe on par with the High end and after than, better...
#PersonelChoice

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12:39 Sep-28-2016

I'm still planning to buy a Gtx 1070 since my 770 died 2 days ago... technology always changes you can't keep up always every month something new comes.. so it doesn't bothers me

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12:47 Sep-28-2016

You're right... if 770 isn't enough for you then just buy 1070 and you'll be fine for a few years.. Try to look for second-hand 1070s, It's a bit hard but I successfully found one, only 2 months shorter warranty (34 of 36) and 120€ cheaper ;) Pascal refresh won't bring a singificant performance improvement, let's wait for what Volta and Navi (maybe Vega in later H1'17?) brings us..

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13:56 Sep-28-2016

U could try putting it into a oven. Linus fixed a 780 Ti like that :D

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11:56 Sep-28-2016

Guess i'll wait and see next year, my 780 is still holding up on new games, except the vram limit on it.

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11:45 Sep-28-2016

next month i wil upgrade to Palit GeForce GTX 1060 Super Jetstream 6GB

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