Rumour: AMD Navi 7nm GPUs Not Available Until Late 2019, 16GB Vega 20 to Launch Q1 2019

Written by Jon Sutton on Mon, Jul 2, 2018 3:11 PM

The second of today’s AMD leaks, and we’re really having to lean heavily into speculative territory here, is in regards to Vega 20 and the upcoming Navi GPUs. Coming from the same source who leaked the Polaris 30 GPU, they suggest that AMD Navi probably won’t be ready until at least 2019, while 7nm Vega 20 chips for the enthusiast market could be ready to launch in Q1 2019.

We’ll start with Navi, AMD’s much anticipated next-generation graphics processing chip. The leak, by way of WCCFTech, alleges that the first Navi graphics cards will arrive in 2019, and the first GPUs will be aimed at the mainstream market. For mainstream, read ‘budget’. For those after high-end Navi graphics cards, these apparently won’t be ready until much later.

The breakdown of Navi GPUs is as follows: Navi 10 should be launching in either late 2019 or early 2020. This will be the first Navi GPU to arrive and it will be focused on the mainstream market. Performance is cited to be on par with Vega. This information seems to be speculative in the extreme though, so don’t take this any sort of confirmation.

Following Navi 10, Navi 14 will follow. There’s absolutely zero information given on this GPU, aside from it will be based on the Navi 7nm architecture.

Finally, there’s Navi 20. This will allegedly be the actual Navi flagship high-end GPU. Manufactured on the 7nm node, this apparently won’t be ready until 2020, or perhaps even 2021.

As for AMD Vega 20, the rumour concerns a new 7nm Vega GPU potentially designed for gamers. Whether it’s going to actually launch or not is going to come down to the availability of HBM2, as the 7nm Vega 20 graphics card could potentially have 16GB HBM2 memory as standard. It’s penciled in for a Q1 2019 launch and according to the ‘leak’ will have higher clock speeds and a 4096-bit memory interface.

We have to say we’re incredibly skeptical of the AMD Vega 20 in particular. HBM2 has proven itself prohibitively expensive and it just doesn’t make sense for AMD to keep trying to chase down that particular rabbit hole, especially if it’s trying to compete with Nvidia of pricing.

What do you think of these rumours, can you see any semblance of truth to AMD’s plans? If we have to wait until late in 2019 for enthusiast-tier AMD graphics cards, is that too little, too late? Let us know below!

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10:38 Jul-03-2018

Now that mining is losing steam, hopefully the next couple of amd cards actually sell for a reasonable price. Not like now where vega56 still sells for more than the 1080.

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05:39 Jul-03-2018

I am thinking about getting a new AMD GPU when the new ones release this year BUT at the same time, I kinda just want to wait until Navi releases.


Get one this year, or wait? Decisions, decisions.

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19:03 Jul-03-2018

Was thinking about upgrading as well. Sadly our CPU's will be a bottleneck in most games to anything above current RX 580. I'll rock this setup as far as i can.

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19:04 Jul-03-2018

And then i will go for a whole new build, since i7 4790k are still really expensive in my country, even used ones are 230-250 euros, not worth it...

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23:25 Jul-02-2018

I wonder what would be the price of this vega 20 gpu. If they plan to also do RX600 series I would imagine this would be better than RX680 and also more expensive.

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19:14 Jul-02-2018

Why so expensive HBM2 instead of the much more practical GDDR6? AMD, if ur making a bold move such as this make sure ur 200% confident that ur products performance reflects its price or else Nvidia would never leave the throne of high-end and enthusiast markets.

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19:33 Jul-02-2018

From what I understand, Vega would need a complete redesign from the ground up to use something other than HBM2.... not surprising that they're not going to go this route for a mere refresh...... so help me though, if their next architecture is using that overpriced, overrated junk.... They need to focus on what's important and stop trying to be hipsters with the VRAM.

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19:57 Jul-02-2018

It's a memory controller issue, of the many changes coming in Navi, it most likely would be cheaper for them (in engineering man hours) to stay with HBM2. My present information is saying that Navi will be using HBM2, it could use the seldom used 2 high stacks (2 gigs each) which should be both cheaper to buy and produce, also with HBCC, they can go for lower memory capacities for what is built without having capacity problems

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20:05 Jul-02-2018

But HBM2 is purely from information I am hearing, it isn't absolutely directly being stated, more on the lines of that 'Navi will because it is a decendent of Vega' and that design aspects are being handed down. BUT, with of how Vega is designed with the memory controller being attached to infinity fabric (from what I know, not directly directly to the GPU core), it could change, a recent patent is even suggesting different memory standards in a package (HBM2+GDRR6)

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20:06 Jul-02-2018

Raja Koduri actually got 2/3's of his engineering team taken away from him for the Radeon Vega project, so the product came out a bit weaker than intended. I'm sure AMD see's the potential in HBM2 and learning from Vega 10's mistakes, they can make a more refined product that is competitive using HBM2. Maybe not though, we will only know for sure when the new Vega's and Navi's come out.

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20:14 Jul-02-2018

Vega was basically completed 6 months into Koduri having the job so there wasn't that much that could have happened in such a project. HBM2 was specifically chosen because of the lower power draw, Koduri basically hedged everything on it and it is part of what bit him, as said earlier, with of how the memory controller is attached to Infinity Fabric and then the GPU core, it is theoredically possible that choosing HBM2 was late in the game.

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20:27 Jul-02-2018

Personally guys..... I've just seen too many failures related to HBM(insert number here) to trust it, I mean while the cards using it are "ok" they always seem to be an overall disappointment.... this was true of both the Fury and Vega lines..... this may be due to reasons entirely unrelated to HBM, but for me.... I don't trust it, and I sincerely hope they stop using it.

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20:28 Jul-02-2018

Keep the HBM in the workstations and give us GDDR6 for our gaming cards!

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20:30 Jul-02-2018

Yeah, efficiency would have been better if they binned the chips at lower voltages though. I was able to undervolt a full 200mv and OC'd the mem to 1180mhz and core to 1652Mhz while only using 220W under full load, so it had/has potential to be even more efficient. Yeah unless they improve the memory controller and the Infinity Fabric to reduce latency (like Zen+) it might not go well with HBM.

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23:31 Jul-02-2018

I'm saying that because the memory controller is attached to infinity fabric (in which IF is then attached to the rest of the GPU), this does theoretically mean that changing the memory controller to work with a different memory standard might not be difficult to do compared to like Fiji or Polaris, the controller is fine, just the price of memory is the issue. That amount of undervolting seems normal, I'm running my 480 at 1380mhz at 1.12V

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20:31 Jul-02-2018

because proper 3D HBM is infinitely superior to any GDDR tier memory, even nVidia admitted it,
it's just that AMD hasn't figured out howto implement it the way they need and also they haven't made gpu powerful enough to let HBM shine enough,
plus it's still not that mainstream so manufacturing costs aren't as low as everyone would wish

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08:05 Jul-03-2018

vega can run on any memory the fact is vega runs on ddr4 memory already

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18:59 Jul-02-2018

Just bought a Vega... At least I paid $50 under MSRP -_-

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19:22 Jul-02-2018

mines better than yours lol

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19:55 Jul-02-2018

Good for you? lol. RX Vega does surpass the 1080 in some games, just saying. Either way, no one asked you and you don't need to assert your insecurities here on Game-Debate. We're all PC enthusiasts here, we all have our personal choices & needs.

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20:23 Jul-02-2018

lol, i was actually being playful and you responded with bitter attitude and contempt. but on a serious note my system has amd cpu so....your ddr3! needs a serious upgrade kidding all aside, sad that despise green users and hate the red AMD

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20:33 Jul-02-2018

Dude..... the only emotion "mine's better than yours" sparks within pretty much anyone ever is the punching emotion........ I don't think you're going to make many friends that way(kidding or not).

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20:42 Jul-02-2018

Sorry I came off bitter, still. No one cares about who's computer is "better", if you have a problem with my hardware then buy me some parts lol. Just so you know I am upgrading to the R7 2700X, just waiting on the next sale as I'm in no rush and I still need to backup data before doing a clean install of W10.

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08:54 Jul-04-2018

If you aren't validated can't trust you, also what an asshole dude. I went from AMD to Intel and Nvidia and I still like AMD as a company. sound like a spoiled child

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00:54 Jul-05-2018

@Jamarl: You could have made up your system build. Also, utterly flagrant.

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01:31 Jul-05-2018

i notice people are such snowflakes on this website, but the statistics, and benchmarks dont lie about his DRR3 being beyond bad also ill verfy my system, althoough my 165hz viewsonic xg2703 monitor isnt on their list so put later model lol

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09:53 Jul-05-2018

Im sorry where does it show that his DDR3 is "beyond bad" ?? His CPU cant see the difference between 1333 MHz and 2000 Mhz and to matter , i only know some games that utilize fast RAM and even they have a point of no benefit , For your CPU you would see a huge gain from 2133 to 3000 MHz due to infinity fabric , but our FX 8350 wouldnt notice it

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18:46 Jul-02-2018

good to know I can waste money elsewhere xD

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15:31 Jul-02-2018

I really hope AMD is realizing that its fantasy with HBM wasn't worth it and takes the GDDR6. It'd be a real shame to see Navi 10 be such a massive disappointment that the Vega 10 was. Calling Navi 20 a ''flagship high-end GPU' is really a rumor to be taken with a truckload of salt as AMD has showed it can't manufacture an actual high-end GPU to compete with NVIDIA (x)x80-ti series

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15:34 Jul-02-2018

Also, the rumors about AMD stopping the manufacture of enthusiast-grade cards doesn't tally up well with this rumor of some flagship Navi 20 down the line

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19:39 Jul-02-2018

I agree.... they need to stop thinking that overpriced, obscure memory technologies are going to do anything for them..... saying "look at us, we did it first!!!" Isn't saying anything when people don't really care what type of memory is on their video card and would rather spend extra money on pure performance than the "hypothetical performance" of a stupid RAM technology.

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22:01 Jul-02-2018

but HBM on Vega made sense , it was already pulling high wattage with HBM , now add more power while using GDDR5 , there would be outrage even with AMD supporters

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