Denuvo Growing in Strength After Irdeto Buyout - 'We Have Nearly Unlimited Resources''

Written by Jon Sutton on Wed, Aug 29, 2018 4:59 PM

Denuvo’s acquisition by cybersecurity specialist Irdeto appears to have transformed it into an even stronger anti-piracy measure than ever before. In an interview with GI.biz, Denuvo sales director Elmar Fischer has claimed the anti-piracy specialist has ballooned in size from just 45 employees last year to 'essentially over 1,000' in 2018.

"Seeking to strengthen our tech actually came from the acquisition with the complimentary tech; a lot of help from [Irdeto’s] engineering side... they have nearly unlimited resources compared to our 45 people," said Fischer. Duh duh duh, dun da dun, DUN DA DUN. KHOOOOH CHUUHRR. Lord Vader, your eminence, the Rebels are amassing at our gates.

While Irdeto and Denuvo’s products aren’t directly linked, Denuvo is benefitting from having access to huge cybersecurity firm with “the same mindset.”

In terms of the success of Denuvo, it would be fair to say it’s been a mixed bag. Some games remain resolutely uncracked for months, while others are blown wide open with a matter of days. Last year Denuvo had a torrid time of it with the likes of Resident Evil 7 and Tekken 7’s anti-piracy measures crumbling within a week of launch. Denuvo has come out of the other side of this rough period though and evidently believes its software is now stronger than ever.

The act of making a game uncrackable is basically an impossible task but the crucial period is the first few weeks after a game launches, and Fischer says "Our goal, and it's still the goal, is to protect initial sales. Of course we would like to have it uncracked forever, but that just doesn't happen in the games industry."

In the interview, Fischer is, of course, keen to espouse the benefits of Denuvo Anti-Tamper DRM for publishers and developers looking to protect their games. "The effects are obvious, but you don't see it really. They don't talk; it's not like the movie industry where they have clear figures if a movie is pirated."

Actual figures though, well, they’re basically impossible to come by. "You can see the piracy of the games, but it's really tough to tell how many of these would have bought the game," said Fischer. "We can estimate, and even if you take a small percentage of this number then the revenue would increase dramatically." Fascinatingly, Denuvo has an entire business model based upon guesswork and supposition. If there were concrete evidence that Denuvo provides a dramatic boost to game sales you can bet they wouldn’t be coy about it, they’d be shouting it from the rooftops.

Irdeto’s Lucas Catranis also proves just as elusive when it comes to proving the benefits. Again, he “thinks’ their service improves game sales, although no figures are actually provided. That’s not really either Catranis’ or Fischer’s faults, it’s literally impossible to outright prove it one way or another.

What we do know is that convenience is king. Provide gamers with what they want, when they want, and plenty will actually pay for it. This is evident in the rise of Steam but we can also see it with other industries such as movie streaming. The number of movies being illegally downloaded has dropped since streaming services arrived simply because many people will prefer to go down the path of least resistance.

Needless to say, Denuvo’s slightly imperious-sounding anti-piracy tactics fly directly in the face of GOG’s recently launched FCK DRM campaign. On the one hand we have nearly unlimited power and evidence scraped so far from the bottom of the barrel it’s given Denuvo splinters, while on the other we have totally unimpeded access to the digital things we buy. Naturally, any consumer should probably fall alongside the latter, there is no logical reason why someone would prefer fewer rights than more rights. For publishers though, piracy (and pleasing shareholders) is a legitimate concern, and I suspect they will continue to do whatever it takes to ensure piracy is as difficult as humanly possible.

Now, I don’t run around beating a drum complaining that Denuvo savages performance. I don’t think it does. Poor implementation can, sure, but poor implementation of anything in a game can cause a drop in performance. No, I think that is used as an easy weapon to fire at Denuvo, but the legitimate concerns relate to the preservation of games, to the right to play offline, to be secure in the knowledge that access can never be taken away. These are the genuine issues at play here, but it sounds as if Denuvo now has more power and resources than it ever has before.

Denuvo is looking more powerful than ever, but will its anti-piracy measures become even more intrusive in the years to come? Do you believe Denuvo aids game sales? Get voting and let us know why below!

Source: GI.biz

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I would say that a lot of games using Denuvo were economic failures, even when left uncracked for months. Everybody knows about this, but the developers still have to incorporate it probably because of some backward thinking suits.

Good games without any form of DRM such as Witcher 3, Fallout 4, Kingdom Come, Dark Souls etc will always sell good. My idea is, they probably they sold better this way that they would have sold without DRM. Because a lot of people want to see how a game is first before committing 60 USD or more, and also a significant number of people won't touch games with Denuvo or other BS.

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I don't See Why Not Have DRM For The First 3 Weeks of Release then Remove it Via a update

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I wouldn't mind it so much if they removed it after getting the initial sales, but anything that requires a constant internet connection is frustrating.

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04:04 Sep-03-2018

I still don't get it. People know that their system is **** but they keep putting things like that into their games.I'm boycotting and I don't pretend to stop.

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02:38 Sep-03-2018

They said they have nearly unlimited resources, huh. Don't be so arrogant, remember 100+ years ago, they said their big luxury ship is unsinkable. And we all know what happened later.

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04:20 Sep-03-2018

Titanic was sabotaged!


Want to know more, search for "morgan" "insurance scam" "perfect weather" "olympic" "interesting names/people on board"

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11:03 Sep-03-2018

Yeah..... I heard somewhere that it was titanic's sister ship which had sunk, for getting insurance money. Is that true?

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12:46 Sep-03-2018

That's just one theory... there is also one theory about Tesla's associate and patents on titanic which is quite interesting for that time period. Its quite hard to tell what is true after 106 years along with possible deceptions and coverups :/


What ever the Truth is, if one has the care and time to find the Truth, one will find it.

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14:51 Sep-03-2018

Doubt it, since it has been a century, the evidences or trail must have disappeared by now. Or maybe these are just misinformation just to prank people and the titanic really drowned, can't say which is it.

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22:04 Aug-31-2018

And yet Two-Point Hospital paid a ton of money to have DRM on it and got cracked a day before launch. Unlimited Resources, hmmm.

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21:52 Aug-30-2018

I know one more thing that is unlimited - The Internet

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08:38 Aug-31-2018

"It may be that what most people mean when they ask the size of the Internet is how many bytes it takes up. Estimating that is a fairly difficult task, but one person made an estimate not so long ago who can probably be trusted to have a good idea. Eric Schmidt, the CEO of Google, the world’s largest index of the Internet, estimated the size at roughly 5 million terabytes of data. That’s over 5 billion gigabytes of data, or 5 trillion megabytes. Schmidt further noted that in its seven years of operations, Google has indexed roughly 200 terabytes of that, or .004% of the total size."


Google-Shmoogle, i don't use it and i don't like it.
I don't like some games with DRM and will not buy them even if they drop price to 1,99 € and say "Voila!". NO!
FCK DENUVO and DRM altogether.

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08:47 Aug-31-2018

In this episode i have to say, that i've bought games such as Diablo 3, that uses DRM and it absolutely sucks with it.
I like Gog for that matter. It's underestimated so much. I do buy games from Steam but when company insists on this BS i give them my finger. Get them to choke on their resources.

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07:57 Sep-03-2018

I agree Gog is an amazing site

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09:18 Sep-03-2018

I really like when people recognize good things and not just glorify what was once considered a "great platform" which, now, unfortunately is full of everything. I refrained from writing crap, but there you go :D.
Every platform has it's good and bad things, but if i can buy something that is both on GoG and Steam, i'll make sure that i get it from GoG rather than Steam. Agreed

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19:59 Aug-30-2018

Two Point Hospital cracked before it released. That's what you get for boasting Denuvo bahahahahahahaahha :D

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15:56 Aug-30-2018

Jon you genius, that was the metaphor that o thought of as well when I read the title xD

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12:10 Aug-30-2018

Can someone tell me the exact downsides of Denuvo/DRM? I know a few, but people seem to hate it so much, i'm curious why.

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12:43 Aug-30-2018

I Believe it Makes Moding the Game not Possible Story Mods Are Fun and Give Life Back To Games


It Needs u to be Online to check so u may not be able to play until u connect online

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14:28 Aug-30-2018

ah, alright. always online is pretty annoying. though it doesn't affect me personally. as for mods, same thing, i can see people would hate missing it, but i rarely use them :)

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16:00 Aug-30-2018

The truth is that that most of the reasons are small reasons. The biggest reason though is entirely based on the principle of the thing. Outside of the launch window, where it may or may not prevent some piracy, it servers no purpose except to treat paying customers like pirates while the pirates themselves are completely unaffected and free to do what they wish.

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16:55 Aug-30-2018

I don't get whats wrong with a company trying to keep you from pirating their game?


How does it threat paying customers like pirates?

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17:07 Aug-30-2018

It doesn't prevent piracy, at best it prevents the casual sharing of games between friends. It can also, and most often does, remove the ability to play offline, mod the game, and make back up copies. These are all things that you can do with a DRM free copy of the game from some place like GOG. They can also revoke your ability to play the game, with little to no recourse available.

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17:10 Aug-30-2018

These guys have whole PR departments dedicated to making it look like Denuvo are the good guys, the big money hungry publishers are the victims, and EVERY customer is a potential pirate and bad guy. The only people that have to deal with DRM are paying customers, and I can't stress that enough. Pirates don't deal with DRM, they crack it and move on.

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10:16 Aug-30-2018

who wins: "Denuvo" with infinite resources or "one Voksi little boi"?

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17:17 Aug-30-2018

Sadly, probably Denuvo. I like to root for the underdog though. If there was as much an uproar about DRM as there was about loot boxes then it might be different. The problem is that most gamers don't care, and gamers are the most vocal of the groups effected by DRM. The other forms of media, such as books, TV, and movies, have even less people arguing for the removal of DRM.

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20:13 Aug-30-2018

In my country, people have never even heard something called 'DRM' so, don't voice against it. I am actually quite shocked that the law enforcing DRM was made in 2012, and there is barely any news related to it in any of major media outlets of my country.

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09:58 Aug-30-2018

They even present themselves like a supervillan XD

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09:42 Aug-30-2018

Jon always makes one sided polls & articles.

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17:14 Aug-30-2018

It's no secret that Jon and I have had our share of problems, so when I say this you really should listen. Jon is actually pretty impartial in both his articles and his polls, aside from the occasional joke like the one he made in the Battle Royale poll. He covered both sides pretty extensively; mentioning both customer rights and his belief that Denuvo doesn't take performance, for example.

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17:54 Aug-30-2018

Oh am not against Jon, I like his posts. I was just pointing at the polls, it's always one-sided.

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22:39 Aug-31-2018

Oic. Now I just look like a kiss ass. I think most educated gamers tend to have the have same views on things like DRM. It's not always the case though, and it and quite harry in the comment sections on here sometimes.


Btw, you gotta plus one from me.

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06:01 Aug-30-2018

Nice try, this indoctrination tactics is so sad lol!

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02:38 Aug-30-2018

eventually i feel people will get good enough at cracking denuvo after cracking it enough times for many games they will be able to do it in no time flat (yes i know it will take time but you see my point) when that does happen buh bye denuvo your malware will not be missed

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07:44 Aug-30-2018

I don't See Why Not Have DRM For The First 3 Weeks of Release then Remove it Via a update

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16:03 Aug-30-2018

While I personally would prefer DRM go away entirely, I am sure that the vast majority of people's problem with DRM would go away if they did that with EVERY game.

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01:16 Aug-30-2018

I wouldn't mind it so much if they removed it after getting the initial sales, but anything that requires a constant internet connection is frustrating.

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01:09 Aug-30-2018

yeah and unlimited hate from legit gaming customer

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00:11 Aug-30-2018

This is a joke.

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21:57 Aug-29-2018

They can have as many resources as possible they still wouldn't be able to stop piracy, they'll just encourage it more and more, FCK DRM.

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21:36 Aug-29-2018

I pre ordered Two Point Hospital. Since I am a big fan of theme hospital. Well they decided to slip in denuvo a day before releasing the god damm game. I should still be able to get my refund if 14 days didn t pass yet right ? I am not interested in this scummy game anymore. I mean they literaly put it there today. Incorporates 3rd-party DRM: Denuvo Anti-tamper

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21:53 Aug-29-2018

noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo (TT^TT)
I was so excited for that game now they ruined it, hopefully you get your money back
EDIT: seems it's already cracked hopefully this means they'll remove it officially in the next patch

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05:43 Aug-30-2018

Yea same... I ll give them a few days to remove it. If they won t then I ll refund it.

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10:17 Aug-30-2018

Yeah if you bought directly through Steam it's fine to get a refund. Just don't play for over two hours.

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10:55 Aug-30-2018

Cool. I bought it like 3 days ago so I should be good. I ll give them some time to fix this.

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20:49 Aug-29-2018

Honestly, why can't we just have it both ways? Though If I had to prioritize I'd have to side with companies protecting their IP, which what Denuvo is really all about. but don't get me wrong, ideally I'd want companies to be able to protect their IP and consumers keep their rights at the same time.


I heard it is possible through a technology called Blockchain but Denuvo is receiving all the attention right now.

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22:10 Aug-29-2018

I doubt blockchain is any better - essentially being decentralized database joint by peer-to-peer nodes, it's again internet-dependant service, relying on data which can become unavailable, effectively either crushing the system and overloading the network, it's surprising how quickly people forget internet is NOT an everywhere-available indestructible 100%-reliable service

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23:52 Aug-29-2018

Well IMO if you want to complain about that then you should be complaining about the very existence of digital storefronts like Steam, GOG, Origin, etc. Otherwise you have NO right to complain. But who cares what I think?


My point here though is that the world isn't going to wait for the rest of itself to catch up. I know it may sound harsh, but it's the truth. The world will just leave you lagging behind.

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00:56 Aug-30-2018

The old CD-keys are even better then stuff like Denuvo. As long as you kept that CD key around you could download a copy of the game from pretty much anywhere and play it again. Sure it got abused, but mostly by people that owned copies of the game already but wanted to cheese out online bans from game such as StarCraft or Diablo.

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01:14 Aug-30-2018

DRM is inherently anti-consumer as the only people effected by it are people that have already paid for a product. Even those that defend DRM lose what little ground they have left to stand on when the game has been cracked and all pirates get to play for free with out DRM while customers are treated like criminals. DRM is the digital equivalent of Walmart frisking all their paying customers.

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01:47 Aug-30-2018

You all only say that because you don't like DRM being there. But in truth no rights are actually being taken away, you only have to deal with an extra process whose sole purpose is to verify you actually own the game and it's like what? a mere 1, maybe 5 FPS loss? I personally have had no issues with this so called DRM, online or offline.


So I don't believe any of this.

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01:54 Aug-30-2018

It doesn't matter if there's an FPS loss or not, it's that you have to go through the process at all. The fact that you paid for the game, and have proof that you paid for the game, should obviate the need to have to continually prove that you paid for the game. We already have a system in place for people that pirate games, it's called the criminal justice system.

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02:02 Aug-30-2018

I would also like to add that no one is talking about "rights" here. It's patently obvious that as customers we have little to no rights when it comes to buying digital media. It doesn't change the fact that DRM is still anti-consumer, even if it is legal. The only people that are being hurt are paying customers, if you can't see that then our discourse on this subject is at an end.

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02:12 Aug-30-2018

Explain to me how exactly customers are being hurt, because from what I can see, you all keep saying customers are being hurt yet keep failing to specify exactly how this is.

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02:13 Aug-30-2018

(Sometimes I feel like I am the only one who actually approves of Denuvo.)

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04:33 Aug-30-2018

Here's how customers are being hurt by DRM-



  1. Customers can not freely use the media they bought( like using music from a cd or some music provider on mobile or other device)

  2. Customers product is constantly monitored that the purchase is valid or not ( and sometimes being offline means no access to the product)

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04:52 Aug-30-2018

  1. The company has full control over your list of purchases, not you. ( Here refer to an incident https://www.legalzoom.com/articles/can-amazon-legally-delete-books-from-your-kindle)

  2. Content locking on a single platform. ( Again, Amazon kindle. Games on windows is not an example for this point)

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04:57 Aug-30-2018

DRM works by restricting user control and abilities to use the digital product as they wish, to give continued revenue streams to the IP holder. But the moment the digital product's DRM gets circumvented and is put on the public, it becomes a deadweight to the legitimate users, because they paid and yet have no control

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05:03 Aug-30-2018

Ah OK, I see your point.

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20:36 Aug-29-2018

FCK DENUVO FCK DRM

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20:33 Aug-29-2018

i am rarely buying the game and those who i buy are usually online so i need to, i mean where would i get the money for all those games me and my friend calculated how much would we have speend if whe were buying games and in last 4 years i would have spend around 36 000$ on games i mean i games are completable for one or few more days, so many of y will disagree and down vote me but i would say that denuvo does incress salles bec there are some people like me that dont buy games but when something we really want we canot wait for week or a month for it to be cracked so we buy it

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01:22 Aug-30-2018

The VAST majority of gamers are not like you. Yes, there are people that lie and steal and cheat, like you. The rest of us will buy a game even if we have the opportunity to pirate it. The rest of us are honest and support the devs we believe in. We know that there are people that depend on us doing so. Most gamers are good people.

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21:25 Aug-30-2018

so y are calling me and my friends a bad people..
i love to play games a lot and i have a lot of time to do so, but i would rather give my money to something else and use pirated games bec hey its free, i get the part that some people love specific devs and wants to support them thats normal, but in my case i dont care for devs honestly i just want to have fun, but i see that to y i am trash of a person eh

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01:30 Aug-31-2018

Maybe you're not a horrible person. Maybe pirating games is the only bad thing you do in your life, and if that's the case then you're probably a pretty descent human being. That being said, stop pirating games if you have the ability to pay for them. If you have to eat at McDonald's less, that's the type of sacrifice you have to learn to make. It's called life. Go forth and sin no more.

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07:00 Sep-01-2018

The thing is... if most people just pirated, then there would be no games.

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