CS:GO Now Free, To Compete With Fortnite. But Gamers Want Their Money Back

Written by Neil Soutter on Mon, Dec 10, 2018 7:49 PM
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It was announced over the weekend that Counter Strike Global Offensive has been updated to CSGO Danger Zone, which has made it free-to-play over on the Steam store. This update by Valve also includes a Battle Royale mode, presumably positioning it to better compete with the powerhouse known as Fortnite, and probably an attempt to counter Epic's aggressive charge forward into the Games As A Service space. Which followed Valve's slightly lacklustre announcement to improve developer sales margin on Steam platform, but seemingly only for hugely successful titles, rather than the indie devs who really need that kind of support.

But of course with every action there is a reaction. So while Valve are now giving away their still hugely popular online shooter, Counter Strike Global Offensive, gamers who have previously paid for CSGO want their money back.

Why do gamers want their Counter Strike GO money back?

There are two main reasons for this, firstly they are annoyed that they have paid for something that is now free, and secondly they are upset that with the huge influx of gamers, drawn to the freemium model of Counter Strike GO, comes a tonne of hackers and cheats.

The Steam game page for Counter strike GO Danger Zone is being flooded with comments, a lot of which are negative. Here are a bunch of recent ones in English

  • "RIP CS:GO"
  • "Uninstalled after 2000 hours. Valve is a garbage company nowadays"
  • "...this game is for hacker play £%"£ off valve"
  • "Good Update"
  • "Give me back my 18 dollars"
  • "Please no more hackers otherwise...RIP CSGO"
  • "Map needs fixing, its like completely different game. Needs to be more similar to CSGO maps"
  • "Now that is free is full of hackers....what can i say...very good job, now the game is dead"
  • "Good game"
  • "Give me my money back"
  • "#payback"
  • "Damn everyone cryin for nothin. Updates "£$"n gr8 dude."

Taking a quick look around shows a few trailers that highlight CSGO Danger Zone hacks. I particularly like Gills vid. The bit that made me really laugh though is that in this 10 min long CSGO Danger Zone hack trailer I was interrupted by Youtube to play me an ad for Fortnite's Season 7 Pass. Which basically means that the super aggressive Epic are targeting all things Counter Strike to trigger their ad campaigns. Well ladies and gentlemen, I believe the real Battle Royale has begun, between Valve and Epic and I am not even sure PUBG, who arguably started this royal rumble, is even going to be one of the final two contenders.

CS GO has around 2-3 million players

Fortnite has around 8 million players

Here's Gil's CSGO hack video. Let us know if you see Fortnite's advert as well.

Whats your thoughts on this clash and where does your loyalty lie? Or perhaps its nothing to do with loyalty...either way, why not grab your tub of popcorn and settle in for a showdown, because hopefully this is the sort of fight where the real winners end up being us gamers, as the giants try innovative ways to appeal for our attention, or perhaps they just slash game prices.

Also while you are here, cast a vote in the fun polls below.

If you were going to play one of these Battle Royale games which would it be?

Who is going to win the real rumble?

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22:25 Dec-12-2018

Ok, this has gone on long enough. I'll lay it out bare, for those that don't seem to get it.


NO, you are not entitled to a refund.


You bought the game for a specific amount of money at a specified time. What ever the seller decides to do afterward is up to them. They can give out free copies, go f2p or jack up the price if they want to. It's their prerogative, and your option doesn't change the fact that they are well within their rights to do anything they want with their property.

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22:43 Dec-12-2018

You are correct, people who bought the game are not entitled to a refund just because it went F2P. Especially since they were compensated with prime status. They do have a right to an opinion, even if it's one that you think is wrong or stupid. That goes double if the change to F2P effects the game in a bad way, i.e. removing a paywall that may or may not have kept a certain element at bay.

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07:08 Dec-13-2018

Correct

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18:17 Dec-12-2018

Is it just me, or it legit seems like Valve's has run out of ideas? Their latest business decisions are mostly based on trying to compete with the market leaders in certain categories. SteamOS, Steam Machine, Steam Controller, Artifact and now this battle royale thing. They are constantly trying to get a slice of somebody else's cake (and only from big players, which in the end are impossible to dethrone). No more innovation in gaming like earlier, it's a shame.

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18:26 Dec-12-2018

I am never against anyone trying to compete with market leaders, especially of those market leaders are few and have a firm grasp on majority of their market.
The more slices are individually owned, the better it is for the end user.

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19:06 Dec-12-2018

Yeah, but they are not really competition are they?

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04:28 Dec-12-2018

Wow the game was 3 bucks in keystores anyways. Nobody was ever scared about having to buy again. Also f2p players only play Vs other f2p players. Everyone just massively overreacting because they finally found something new to be angry about.
Nobody even lost a cent, if you bought the game, you now got prime which costs the same as the game previously did.

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18:22 Dec-12-2018

Downvoting without arguments against it, way to go. Keep riding the negativity bandwagon without knowing the facts..

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23:04 Dec-12-2018

You can get prime as f2p by getting to rank and having phone number as it was when people bought the game.
Basically a #### you to everyone who bought the game

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23:06 Dec-12-2018

Yes, after you reach rank 21 and join a phone number to your game you can earn prime status.
Why's that an FU to everyone that bought it though?

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07:03 Dec-13-2018

So discounts are a F@ck you to everybody who bought a game at a full price?
Once you buy a game, you have agreed that this game is as worth as the price you have paid for it, regardless if they are waiting just for you to buy it to make it free...

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22:41 Dec-11-2018

you bought it and played for years, now arguing about money...
BUT AS HE STATED, YES IT WILL BRING MILLIONS OF HACKERS, STUPID SCHOOL KIDS WITH ITS STRATEGY...LONG LIVE BATTLEFIELD

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17:24 Dec-11-2018

OH ... Witcher 3 was on sale for 20$ !!!
OK CDPR .. give me my 3 year-old 40 dollars back .....

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17:36 Dec-11-2018

Only if they can use their proprietary memory suck technology to remove all of your wonderful Witcher 3 memories.

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18:15 Dec-11-2018

@Mido4Life
Finally someone who gets it!

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14:28 Dec-11-2018

I'd love my 18$ back

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14:50 Dec-11-2018

Did someone force you to buy it?

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17:10 Dec-11-2018

no, but valve should have warned prior making it f2p, ofc no one forced him to buy but its not fair to a degree

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17:16 Dec-11-2018

The moment you pay for something, you have agreed that it's worth the money, regardless if they start giving it away the moment you bought it.

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17:18 Dec-11-2018

when did he pay for it? would he have waited years if they said that at the end of 2018 it would be f2p? there consolation for paying for it. if he paid and only had a few hours in a short amount of time he would still be eligible for a refund but if he put in a lot of time with it, then why the complaint.

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19:40 Dec-12-2018

Why? You didn't lose a single penny.
You now got Prime MM, which costs exactly as much as the full game did before it went f2p.
Read the FAQ instead of following the bandwagon blindly.

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14:34 Dec-13-2018

@V3rmillioN you can also get prime by just getting to level 21 and link a useless phone number which you can get for less than few bucks

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00:16 Dec-11-2018

I don't have any skin in the Battle Royale fight, so I didn't vote there. It's just not my thing. I do hope the Epic store works out. The competition that brings can really only be food for customers. Even die hard fans of Steam stand to gain from it if it pushes Valve into just doing things better. There is always room for improvement and Steam has been stagnant as of late.

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22:38 Dec-10-2018

I bought CS-GO a few years back and haven't even played a single match against a human player, and I do not want a refund....... this game's been around so long that people have no right to complain that it went free 2 play..... that's what happens to every online game eventually, that's just the way it works..... how can you get mad about it unless you're going to get mad about every other online game that has went free 2 play?

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07:27 Dec-11-2018

Totally agree with this. I can understand people who must've bought the game very recently but otherwise, you shouldn't even think of getting a refund.

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19:41 Dec-12-2018

Read some steam reviews and check their profiles.. There's literally people with thousands of hours demanding a refund wtf.. They're just happy they found something new to nag about.

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22:35 Dec-10-2018

I can see why people are angry, due to quick switch to free to play without any notice in advance. It really does suck if you bought it weeks before it went free. Giving early announcement would help a lot in terms of publicity, even if it comes at cost of some sales.

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22:39 Dec-10-2018

Though hackers are apparently even worse problem now that Valve needs to rely on VAC... which in all honesty is little more than fake security camera against anything that isn't very basic. And CSGO is far more popular to hack than TF2 was when it went free to play. I guess valve was expecting same outcome.

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22:41 Dec-10-2018

I just hope they won't push microtransactions more aggressively. Like in TF2, where you could feel amount of free items you got going lower and Valve saying how they are doing it to battle idling. Plus how often you started getting create instead of item, so you would need to buy key.

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22:41 Dec-10-2018

This year had record numbers in banned players because they started useing VacNet - machine learning system. Also CSGO is open sorce so it is easy to make cheats for it and hide them realy well.

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06:49 Dec-11-2018

Record bans are due to overwatch...

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11:26 Dec-11-2018

Overwatch combined with the VacNet system. VacNet uses Overwatch to learn and provides Overwatch users with cases.

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13:15 Dec-11-2018

On paper, from what I've seen and what I've been told it's all bark and no bite, troll cheats are the only one that now get banned more...

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13:49 Dec-11-2018

What I've seen is a massive reduction in cheaters in games I've played in the last months, and much better and less toxic players too.

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15:31 Dec-11-2018

My brother and his friends haven't, they are between GN4 and LE, continue to complain often enough about semi-obvious cheaters and sometimes blunt cheaters and my brother's last assumption is a cheater, in other words, it takes a lot for him to say someone is a cheater.

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15:36 Dec-11-2018

My friends also say their last assumption is that the enemy is cheating. That is until you play with them and you figure that their last assumption that they're undefeatable and unkillable unless the enemy is certainly cheating. Win or lose, the first time they die they report the whole enemy team for cheating, and if someone happens to hit 2 headshots in a row, they just stop playing all together. So I mostly trust my first hand experiences, and they've been fairly positive.

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15:38 Dec-11-2018

It's a very easy copout in CSGO. If the game is presumed to be filled with cheaters, then you can't be bad at the game because your enemy is certainly cheating when they defeat you.

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15:55 Dec-11-2018

Nah, dude headshots are not something you call a person cheating for, I mean the game is about pre-aiming the angle/corner you are holding or going around and the map design is such that common spots are common for a reason, yet again pre-aiming.


It's behaviour that gives them away, more than actual accomplishments in the game.

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16:00 Dec-11-2018

That is something you need to teach the vast majority of the playerbase then.
I know that, but it's still an easy copout because Aimbot's exist, and headshot = aimbot in their minds. Because god forbid they actually know how to play the game and how to aim too.

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00:11 Dec-11-2018

Quick switch? CS:GO has been out for years now.

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09:08 Dec-11-2018

He means that CS:GO went free over night, without knowing. Imagine you purchased CS:GO a week ago.

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09:17 Dec-11-2018

I can imagine that. A week ago you agree that CS:GO is worth 15 euro and you buy it for 15 euro, acknowledging it's worth of 15 euro, so no reason to get mad if it goes free to play.


Though last week it was on a discount right? XD

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09:52 Dec-11-2018

at no point was it a quick switch.
quick switch would be if the game was a month old and then went f2p and no one got anything for it.
no one lost their money. everyone that paid got instant prime status and anyone that got it for free still has to pay for prime.

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11:48 Dec-11-2018

or reach level 21 and get it for free

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21:56 Dec-10-2018

i was thinking to try this cs go mod or h1z1 since they are free now

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20:23 Dec-10-2018

I really can't understand people... If you have bought a game for a certain amount of money, that means that you have agreed that the game is worth that much to you and is a worthy purchase, why would be mad if it goes free afterwards... -_-


Also, CS:GO's battle royale is the second best battle royale I've played after CoD BO4's blackout(which you totally forgot to put in the poll), despite the crappy gameplay mechanics of CS:GO...


Like the map size is perfect, the player count is perfect, the map itself is easily 9.5/10 material. I prefer maps to have things in them, than to be open fields of nothingness, either grass, sand of snow. You don't need 100 players, more players =/= better game, the right amount of players = a better game. You will never fight more than 4-5 guys at once

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20:24 Dec-10-2018

Hell if you constantly had to fight more than 2-3 guys you'd be screaming that it's a terrible game, with bad flow and game design, which would be correct.

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22:33 Dec-10-2018

IMO PUBG has the worst gameplay mechanics EVER but then again I have 2000 real ingame time in CSGO...


Unlike 75% of the CS comunity I also think the devs did a decent job, because they made it uniqe. Still needs some fixing and tweaking

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08:05 Dec-11-2018

Most of my CS:GO Hours are mapping and testing said maps.


And yes it's unique to the rest.

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04:51 Dec-11-2018

It just feels like the EA move of different price for different release days, just that here it is less scummy and becoming free to play. Oh well i can't complain because I got myself the free copy today and after today's exam I'm going to play it throughout the week. ^_^

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13:59 Dec-11-2018

Crappy gameplay mechanics of csgo, really? For me it is the total opposite, I think that cs has by far the best shooting and movement mechanics out of any shooter.

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15:15 Dec-11-2018

Movement is absolutely basic and you being shot at or hit with the body of a grenade slows you down, you get caught on every corner that is not smoothened by an invisible wall. And that's it, you are a log with basic movement and a glitch that became considered a mechanic and never fixed, but actually "properly implemented".

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15:17 Dec-11-2018

Shooting is basic too. No aim down sights, which isn't a negative, but removes depth. Then the recoil system is super simple. A pattern which you can learn by heart really easily if you prefer to spray like I do, but the first 3-5 shots of every gun are a simple drag down, down left or down right. Of course you have inaccuracy for moving, which is dumb, promotes minimal strafing or counter-strafing, which basically removes a lot of aim(coupled with the simple maps). There is also spread, which is bad for anything, except hip firing, but since in this game you can hip-fire only it shouldn't be there, but I get it, it's to add some randomness and prevent macro players shootling like a laser. Only hard patterns to learn are the ones with more than 30 bullets that are way too crazy.

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15:21 Dec-11-2018

In games like for example CoD or BF, the recoil is angular and it varies with each shot, it's not random however. You know that it will got a certain direction by an amount between a range, which means you can't just muscle memory the recoil, after each shot you have to adjust by a different amount, so it's dynamic and doesn't' rely on learning by heart, but still very controllable. Now BF had spread like crazy while aiming down sight in BF1, now they don't in BF5 and CoD since CoD2 hasn't had spread while aiming down sight. So both cases(technically BF copied CoD's recoil mechanics since BF3) have a more skilled gunplay. And in CoD there are 4-5 more mechanics/modifiers/changers(depending on which studio's CoD it is) to recoil, so it has more flavours too.

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15:23 Dec-11-2018

So yeah, in conclusion, CS is very basic and requires you to learn by heart, instead of having to on the fly compensate for recoil, macro's a very prevalent even with bullet spread in CS sadly, I've seen people with macro's shooting in tiny circles(not dots due to bullet spread), which is always sad. Movement is as basic as it gets for any game, move, crouch, jump(but bhop is dope for sure, kinda ruined it in CS:GO compared to previous CS games).

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15:29 Dec-11-2018

All of those reasons you specified are exactly why I believe CSGO is the best shooter I've ever played and where the other games lack in that department. The fact that it requires you to learn it is what makes it he best and what differentiates it from the rest.
But this is a subjective matter and neither of us is either right or wrong.

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15:37 Dec-11-2018

true, true. I personally am not a fan of the "learn by heart" as it means that people that have played more have an automatic advantage, which in pure skill based games imo shouldn't be the case. If you can control recoil very well you should be rewarded for it, here even if you are bad at recoil control, you can learn just those patterns.


I personally know and can control the entire recoil of the AK47, M4A4, Famas, Galil(except maybe the last 6-7 bullets), AUG, SG553, UMP45, MP7 and somewhat the MP9 and MAC10 to be absolutely effective at medium and slightly beyond medium range, but valve(or whatever the studio name is) made sure that bursting and tapping is much more effective, so if I ever play seriously(because that happens often... not), bursting is my obvious option, then tapping.

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15:39 Dec-11-2018

Footwork and movement is also imo important, while CS promotes the exact opposite, minimal strafing, counter-strafing or standing still.

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15:58 Dec-11-2018

"Learn by heart" is exactly why I believe CSGO is the best competitive shooter currently on the market. I believe that is exactly what should be encouraged in a skill based games. Pure skill and understanding of the game mechanics with as little randomness as possible. Also learning how to control recoil is a skill on it's own, which also rewards those who've played for longer.

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15:58 Dec-11-2018

In CS, you're only better than the other player if you're personally better than him. Apart from your skill level, you're always at the same playing field as the guy you're playing against, and you always have the same equipment with the same stats available for everyone.
While games such as COD and BF reward those who've played more by skill gained and also by special equipment, perks and bonuses too. The latter which has no place in a competitive environment.

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15:58 Dec-11-2018

In CS, two equally skilled players are always on the same level, regardless of time played, while in other shooters, primarily COD and BF, the player who spent more time playing is always at an advantage, regardless of your skill level.
Randomness in my opinion decreases the skill level because it promotes a degree of luck, and luck is not skill. I want to know that I defeated my opponent because I was better than him, and not because I got lucky with the recoil pattern.

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16:11 Dec-11-2018

But that's the thing, it's controlled randomness if it makes sense. For example, you know the gun will jump let's say only straight up(90 degree angle, upwards), but between 15-30 "units"(will call them units as many games have different units or use angles), you just have to on the fly see how much it jumps and correct for it, eliminating the possibility of a macro on top of requiring you to control it on the fly. In CS it's the same every time.


Now when it comes to perks, both players have them. When it comes to equipment CS uses equipment too, grenades, but I absolutely agree about trap equipment, it can go die, no matter if it's competitive or casual.

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16:13 Dec-11-2018

And I hate progression/levelling/unlocking in shooters and I absolutely agree with you that it sucks balls, don't even know why it's shooters to being with... just to exploit human psychology, I would assume, cuz people love getting new things and this simulates that tricking the brain, unless you see through it.


And skill based matchmaking is the best too, sadly people hate it in games that are more casual like BF and CoD. I've been wanting it forever or at least for them to add a competitive mode, at least for CoD, BF is harder to do so with the maps.

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17:51 Dec-11-2018

I do understand what you think about controlled randomness, and I can see your point. I see it simply like this, if you kick a ball, It'll go where you kicked it, and you don't have to compensate for a certain spin it might take on mid flight. So the better you are at kicking the ball, the more rewarded you get.
But I can certainly understand your idea. I just think it can lead to unnecessary defeats because you were just unlucky enough to be fed a different random number.

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17:55 Dec-11-2018

I'm glad we agree on progression unlocks. In my opinion, they're included in the game because game makers feel like the overall core of the game is not enough to keep people playing, so they have to essentially constantly reward them, and that way prolonging the engagement of the audience. In competitive games, the core gameplay alone should be all that's necessary for people to be coming back.

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17:59 Dec-11-2018

And yes, skill based matchmaking is an absolute must for any game that aims to be competitive in any way. There is some degree of matchmaking in both games, but it's nowhere near as strickt and you often end up playing against people who are miles better than you.
COD and BF are seen as more casual games, and I guess developers just don't want to bother adding matchmaking systems and proper unlocks and progression because of that.

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18:00 Dec-11-2018

I'd certainly enjoy playing COD a lot more if it had some sort of competitive mode as CS does. Especially if you're matched based on your skill level, and you have all the equipment unlocked at the start.

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18:49 Dec-11-2018

@Psychoman if you actually saying that movement in csgo is basic, in any aspect, you have no idea what you are talking about

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19:09 Dec-11-2018

@TheEmperor96 yeah both CoD and BF would be more enjoyable with a dedicated competitive mode, without any of the bs.


@Gerulis20
Let me see, move, crouch, jump, crouch jump, a few velocities, bhop and some recoil and spread modifiers tied to the velocities and altitude, correct?

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19:26 Dec-11-2018

To be fair, which specific differences are there in movement compared to BF, COD and CS. In BF there's move, crouch, jump, prone, vault, sprint and slide. Minimum changes in movement depending on which weapon you're carrying and there's also modifiers depending on whether you're moving or not, only tamer and less strict.
COD there's the same, with a few iterations with jetpacks which provide higher jumps, wall running and ability to switch movement in the air, and hooks.

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19:26 Dec-11-2018

It's a very stupid argument at it's best not really worth debating in any way. They're all very deliberate choices which suit the game type they're trying to be, and suit them well.
At the end it's a very subjective choice of which one you prefer.

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21:33 Dec-11-2018

well, you are forgetting the sprint out, sprint in times, rise up weapon time, it's not just vaulting but climbing too, sliding and dolphin diving(as dumb as it is), they again modify recoil and spread, but to a much lesser extent than CS. ADS times.


With CS it's game design choice at this point, back in the OG CS alpha to 1.6 those were the limitation of the golden source engine without being modified.

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20:15 Dec-10-2018

I mean, I understand people who've bought the game a week or a month before it went free asking about a refund. If there were prior notice they most probably would've waited. But those that have hundreds of hours and have played the game for years just sound selfish asking for Valve to return their money.
Why did you buy the game in the first place if you're feeling like the money you've spend didn't justify the purchase you've made?

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20:18 Dec-10-2018

I've hundreds of hours in CSGO. Bought it back in 2014 and I've played that game more than almost anything else. Game costed almost nothing to begin with and it provided me with so much fun and enjoyment. Asking for a refund on a purchase I made 4 years ago, in a game I've spend hundreds of hours would just be extremely selfish thing to do from my point of view.

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20:21 Dec-10-2018

And about the game going F2P, I don't really mind it. VacNet, Trust Factor and Prime matchmaking have done wonders to root out cheaters from the game, I've not played against a cheater in the last 3 months. There's such an aura of negativity against any competitive game online and I don't understand where it comes from.

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22:39 Dec-10-2018

I agree. The numbers of banned cheaters this year have been crazy. VacNet is the future. Ofcourse douchebags that see cheater in every player that is better than them dont think valve bans any cheaters...

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06:38 Dec-11-2018

VAC bans only free cheats that get reported or cheats that don't automatically update the offsets, as well written, pattern scanning cheat will never be caught by VAC. VAC is one of the worst and dumbest anti-cheats out there, but the people who cheat in CS:GO aren't the brightest either.

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18:53 Dec-11-2018

@psychoman have you heard of VACNET ? you should check it out, but even then im not fan of f2p model for csgo since cheats are so effective in this game

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22:40 Dec-10-2018

Because when a noob meets a pro, the noob thinks the pro is cheating.

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22:15 Dec-10-2018

as someone who bought this game in 2013 i do not care at all about it being f2p. I played more than 4k hours on it and sadly it was getting stale, and little by little it would had died any way

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23:22 Dec-10-2018

my story is pretty similar to yours, i bought it in early 2013 i think(when there was no matchmaking) i played consistently for 3 years and stopped gradually at around late 2016, got back at around 2017 for few months and 5k&#60 hours after im finally completely bored of it :) Tried this new br won one match, placed 7th on second and im done with it. Sadly cheater problem was always huge pain in thebutt for csgo and im convinced that i will never come back until prime mm will be

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23:24 Dec-10-2018

not as easily accessible, faceit requires huge amount of grind to get to at least 8th lvl if you solo and esea is totally anti consumer, scumbag company that i will never support.


edit in first post "5k or more"

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06:41 Dec-11-2018

wanna know why you got bored of it? Because most people play the same 4 maps and due to the balancing use the same 3-4 weapons.

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11:29 Dec-11-2018

im not bored of maps or weapons im bored of this game in general, i think not many people have played this game for so many hours, csgo comes with handful of problems such as toxicity and cheating. Also one of the reasons why im not playing it anymore is because it requires huge amount of dedicated hours to be consistent and i dont feel wasting so much anymore. When you get to high level the cheating problem becomes really bad, i remember tracking all my match demos

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11:33 Dec-11-2018

with special program and at least every match you get a banned cheater, not to mention cheaters that dont get banned, i remember one match where 7 out of 10 people got banned:D i know hilarious yet depressing... Now since csgo is free and prime mm is much more easily accessible i no longer have any interest playing it even though its amazing game

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11:43 Dec-11-2018

maybe bored is not the best word for it, i no longer have interest in it, annoyed, frustrated? put together they all would be correct

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20:01 Dec-10-2018

They couldn't have split it into it's own free game? Just got to rip off the paying customers and permanently change the game from the product people originally bought. Valve has been going downhill for a few years now but it's picking up the pace I guess.

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20:26 Dec-10-2018

How did they change it though? Apart from it going F2P, nothing in the game's mechanics nor gameplay has changed whatsoever. Danger Zone, this BR thing is another game mode which you're in no way forced to play. I've owned this game for over 4 years and I don't feel ripped off. Maybe I'm missing something, but this game provided me with more entertainment and fun than almost any other AAA game, and I've spent a quarter of my cash on it.

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22:37 Dec-10-2018

Not changed at all. What they did here is that they gave it a second wind. Yes there will be cheaters but then again if anyone thinks 10€ would have stoped a cheated before then yeah, they have no idea...

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23:32 Dec-10-2018

well for hardcore cheaters 10eur is nothing but at least it kept majority of squeakers from cheating, now there is literally no consequence or if you want prime you can just buy it straight away, i know there is trust factor now but there are still chance that you will get that cheater for his first match

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