Metro Exodus has Denuvo DRM Confirmed and Fans Aren't Happy

Written by Jon Sutton on Thu, Jan 24, 2019 10:27 AM
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UPDATE: Metro Exodus publisher Deep Silver has issued a statement on the inclusion of Denuvo Anti-Tamper DRM in 4A Games' shooter. 

In a message of the Metro Exodus Steam discussion pages, Deep Silver said: “It is Deep Silver policy to protect our PC games with Denuvo, and we’ve worked with 4A Games to ensure this will not affect your experience.”

Confirmation, if needed, that 4A Games wasn't behind the decision to use the divisive DRM method. Deep Silver has reassured fans there will be no performance impact in Metro Exodus, although this is going to be tricky to prove one way or the other.

We can also use this info to identify which games coming out are also going to use Denuvo, barring a policy change from Deep Silver. Their upcoming games include Shenmue3, Wasteland 3 and Dead Island.

Original Story: 21-Jan-2019 - Metro Exodus has Denuvo DRM Confirmed and Fans Aren't Happy

A moment’s silence please, for Metro Exodus. The latest game to be taken into the embrace of Denuvo.

Metro Exodus’s Steam page has just been updated and Denuvo Anti-Tamper DRM support has been confirmed, much to the anguish of fans. This is actually only the third game published by Deep Silver to have Denuvo support after Agents of Mayhem and Homefront: The Revolution. They’re Denuvo dabblers, rather than addicts. Deep Silver is now owned by THQ Nordic though so this could be an even bigger issue for the FCK DRM crowd going forward.

As you’d expect, Metro Exodus is the first title ever from developer 4A Games to use Denuvo.

Suffice to say, the response to the news in the Metro Exodus discussions on Steam has descended into top-tier melodrama. It’s a real popcorn muncher. The fans most definitely ain’t happy, but whether fan-power is enough to enact change, we’ll have to wait and see.

At this point though, if you’re boycotting Denuvo you’ve basically got to give up on AAA gaming. Sad but true.

When we think of all the biggest games coming out in the first quarter of 2019, practically every one of them is using Denuvo Anti-Tamper DRM protection. The list includes Life is Strange 2, Resident Evil 2 Remake, Ace Combat 7, Metro Exodus, Far Cry: New Dawn, Anthem, Anno 1800, Total War: Three Kingdoms and Devil May Cry 5. We've got a complete list of all games with Denuvo right here on GD.

The only obvious AAA title not to have Denuvo confirmed (for now) is The Division 2, a game that’ll be protected by Uplay DRM; is online-centric, and will receive so many updates the base game will end up redundant anyway.

Anyway, if you’re still interested in Metro 3 it’ll be launching on February 15th for PC, PS4 and Xbox One.

What are your Metro Exodus plans?

Our favourite comments:

Bruh no DRM will stop me from enjoying a good game, but F@ck DRM...

psychoman

I have been waiting too long for this game just to be stoped by the fact it has DRM.

Pr0pheT22

Mind as well wait for the pirates to do their duty.... ... so I can buy it later when they discard the DRM! Yes, that's what I wanted to say

Fattman

Il wait for it to come to gog, will prob happen once its cracked, i want my games future proof and denuvo is a horse on that road, its like gfwl all over again

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22:34 Jan-25-2019

It's also company policy to sh!t on paying customers. Be Smart. Don't buy the game.

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18:17 Jan-26-2019

Or just buy it for console.

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19:37 Jan-26-2019

We don't do that here.

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20:16 Jan-26-2019

Well then buy it on PC, it's going to be on steam anyway... I don't see why people who like Steam hate Denuvo(especially now that it doesn't tank performance, since it's optimized and entirely on the RAM and consumes very little RAM)...

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13:44 Jan-28-2019

I do. Last Christmas I bought myself several games, all of them for my Nintendo Switch.

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15:53 Jan-25-2019

Played the first one for about 90 minutes, felt like one of those "walk 10 meters -> cutscene" games that never let the player actually play. Never cared for the series since. DRM or not, not interested unless I see some really good in depth reviews.

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16:05 Jan-25-2019

is it not better to see gameplays as reviews shows only personal taste of the one who is reviewing

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15:12 Jan-25-2019

thing is, they will get round it like they always have

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22:13 Jan-24-2019

drm or no drm am still getting the game. People who complain abt drms a lot are mostly pirates who are upset over having to wait for crack after game releases

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23:01 Jan-24-2019

Pirates will always end up playing the game in the end, and I'm pretty sure they aren't averse to waiting. I've heard vast amounts of legit customers complain about DRM than I've heard pirates do.

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07:06 Jan-25-2019

Pirates don't buy games period and they don't care when it gets cracked.
I'm against denuvo because I am against drm, be it denuvo, steam, origin, accounts and so on

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09:25 Jan-25-2019

actually they do, i realized this especially when the crack for assassins creed origins got delayed. you should have seen how they were whining on pirate websites

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11:09 Jan-25-2019

those are usually some kids that also scream at crackers to crack RDR2 which is not even oon pc

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11:22 Jan-25-2019

Pirates absolutely do buy games. When I was younger I pirated games and if I couldn't pirate them for whatever reason I saved to buy them. Most kids I knew who had access to PC's did exactly the same.


Some don't buy any of course, but there's no truth in saying pirates don't buy games period based upon purely anecdotal experience.

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11:27 Jan-25-2019

But then they aren't really pirates to the full extent XD
I mean they were called pirates, because they do what pirates in the real world do, steal and never give back. No pirate in real life stole some money and then came back after time and gave the money back and more or gold or whatever they stole...


Pirates to me are people that don't buy software, but acquire it by other means, if you pirate software just long enough till you save money to buy it, I mean sure you kinda are a pirate, but you are all good in the end.

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11:30 Jan-25-2019

Well that's just because your definition's incorrect. "the unauthorized use or reproduction of another's work" This has no reference to the number of times or the frequency, downloading a single game illegally is piracy.


And I don't mean I saved up and bought a game after I pirated it. If I pirated a game there was no way in hell I was paying for it as well, I'd have rather spent that money on a game I couldn't pirate.

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11:32 Jan-25-2019

In a nutshell: Anti-piracy measures, for me, worked. And that's the same line of thinking which has brought Denuvo into existence. Obviously I'm not alone or Denuvo wouldn't exist.

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11:57 Jan-25-2019

I pirated games long time ago when I couldn't afford (or wasn't available in where I live) any of them. After I ended up able to afford those games, I bought almost every single game that I pirated (and completed) that available on GOG.

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12:07 Jan-25-2019

And as a side story,and a lil bit oot,I even donated to some guy who cracked SC2 just to be able to play it offline without internet.In the end,I still bought the game.I did it quite often.

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12:14 Jan-25-2019

On the other side of the fence,bought AC2 legally on Steam,then having to log in to Uplay,install Uplay,connect to Uplay,etc. I pirated that game after I bought it legally for my convenient.Well that game went directly to my trash bin

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19:53 Jan-24-2019

Deep Silver shut up!


It doesn't protect games. It easily gets cracked. It hurts performance no matter how well it is implemented. Again, F*CK DRM!

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20:00 Jan-24-2019

Not necessarily, many games with newer Denuvo versions performed the same with and without Denuvo even on weaker PCs...

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21:29 Jan-24-2019

Denuvo isn't needed. That's my point.

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21:30 Jan-24-2019

True, neither is Steam, but they use it... both terrible, dumbarse DRMs...

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21:52 Jan-24-2019

Steam isn't needed? I agree but also disagree with you.

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11:49 Jan-25-2019

Might I suggest Steam saved PC gaming? I think so in many ways...

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11:55 Jan-25-2019

Yep, it absolutely did. Steam has arguably been the best thing to happen to PC gaming ever.

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12:22 Jan-25-2019

Psychoman will have a heart attack reading this lol

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12:36 Jan-25-2019

How would I have a heart attack?
Also, no steam screwed up PC gaming... it was the gateway to DRMs being accepted and normal... all who support steam, support Denuvo and any other bs DRM out there... As if accounts weren't bad enough before steam... -_-

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12:55 Jan-25-2019

Figure of speech..anyways, without steam PC gaming would be close to dead if not dead imo...

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14:17 Jan-25-2019

why would it be dead? I've been playing before steam and everything appeared to be great... steam screwed up PC gaming, you no longer own the game you have purchased in the slightest, you just pay to have access to the games you play...

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14:35 Jan-25-2019

Then you really weren't paying attention....

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14:44 Jan-25-2019

But what was dead about it?

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14:57 Jan-25-2019

It wasn't dead, it was fading light. Console gaming was massively favored heading into the early 2000's and PC's were being looked at as massive fiddly boxes with long game install times, 3+ discs for every game, hard to understand and very expensive components. Easily available, cheap games led the way for PC gaming to make a comeback and Valve has made literally hundreds of advancements with Steam since then that have helped make PC gaming easier, cheaper and more versatile than before.

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15:06 Jan-25-2019

Steam brought a center to PC games. They gave people a place where you can easily find and play vast majority of PC titles, without having to accidentally stumble upon them or scour the internet to find them. They brought reach to the developers and a sense of security that they will have their games seen by gamers wanting to play them.

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15:25 Jan-25-2019

@Jon
but apart from the 3 discs for every game which was rare, steam has nothing to do with it... The consoles were preferred in the early 2000s due to the tons upon tons of exclusives the 6th generation of consoles had, while PCs didn't. Then steam did nothing for components becoming cheaper, it's just that games got too expensive to develop as exclusives when the 7th gen consoles came out and most AAA games went multiplatform and since the consoles got outpaced by PCs cheaper and cheaper PCs could play the console ports...

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15:27 Jan-25-2019

And local stores(physical in general, even if they are online physical) have always had cheaper games than digital stores, worst case scenario as expensive. On top of that, they get discounted much faster and that's been true forever, that's why I stayed off of steam until they started selling steam keys in a box... 2010-2011... So it's not cheaper... There are tons of older games on steam that haven't dropped in price, their steam sales, be it summer, Halloween or Christmas have been horrible for the past 5-6 years...

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15:46 Jan-25-2019

It's one point of a million things Steam did for PC gaming. As The Emperor touched on, it also rebirthed indie gaming and gave platforms to developers that couldn't otherwise afford worldwide distribution. It unified friends lists/communities, it enabled universal gamepad support, it offered more games than could possibly fit in a physical store, it brought workshop support, user reviews and feedback, it's free, it introduced automatic patching for all games, it added big picture for TV gamers.


The list is practically endless lol. Steam brought PC gaming out of its shrinking niche and made it the absolutely massive thing it is today. Yes it has negatives, and yes Valve has taken its foot off the gas lately, but Steam was a game changer from top to bottom.

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15:50 Jan-25-2019

And out of those indie games 99.999% are cash grabs since valve allows all kinds of crap on steam... And the Xbox 360 was a great platform for indie games too then both the Xbox One and especially PS4 as well... like that would be ignorant to say steam was the first to encourage indie developers, when the Xbox 360 was doing that since 2008, while steam started in the 2010s.


Also games with proper mod support usually have crappy mod support on steam and are on sites like nexus... and have been for a long time. Universal gamepad support has nothing to do with steam either, controllers worked back in the day and they do now too...
User reviews are the worst... such unreliable and terrible reviews that are rarely constructive, tons of crap burying the few good ones...

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15:51 Jan-25-2019

Patching was automatic on tons of games before steam too...

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16:18 Jan-25-2019

You dismissing those points doesn't make them untrue. And just because there were other alternatives doesn't make what Jon said any less valid.
The simple point is that Steam is pretty much responsible for PC gaming being as big and as popular as it is today, and regardless of how much you seem to dislike that fact, it doesn't make it any less true.

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16:19 Jan-25-2019

Why do you think the Xbox 360 got a lot of great indie games? Who do you think the Xbox 360 had an online marketplace?


Unified patching for all third-parties. Before Steam I was heading to all sorts of weird places to get my game patches. Steam made keeping your game up to date so easy it's ridiculous. There's not really any point discussing it all lol, saying Steam wasn't a massive game changer for PC gaming is pretty much akin to flat-earthing. Take your dislike for it out of the picture a moment, because it was a gaming revolution.

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16:23 Jan-25-2019

All your points are kind of irrelevant. Yes, you could do all of those things manually before Steam. The point is that Steam brought it all into one place, more conveniently than ever before by a factor of about 10. I would be fascinated to see what PC gaming would like if Steam never existed.

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16:29 Jan-25-2019

Steam's revolution is like the communist revolution, for every good thing on it there are many bad and it's good things have long ago become bad things... Ok I will give it to you some games were annoying as hell to patch, so fine, steam makes patching better...


But beyond that it's meh... it's just a pesky DRM that tries to do everything and fails at most... Communities have always had forums, always had blogs and people don't communicate almost at all through steam, usually through discord, skype, Teamspeak, social media and so on... Like there is always the small minority that does, but still.
And I have barely played any indie games since steam greenlight, why? Because it's filled with so much crap that I can rarely see a good indie game be promoted...

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16:34 Jan-25-2019

Oh god. This is bloody fantastic to read, honestly.
You have left me speechless but for all the wrong reasons.
Is it really that hard to understand that one big centralized place which does pretty much all of the above is more accessible and convenient than having dozens of different programs all doing just a tiny portion of the bigger picture?
Steam isn't without faults, but that's not what we're discussing here.

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16:35 Jan-25-2019

You're missing the point. It doesn't matter what it does wrong and it doesn't matter what you or I think of it. Steam brought life to PC gaming, that's the entire discussion, and you even called it "steam's revolution". That's all we're discussing. I know there's a ton wrong with it but that changes nothing about the impact Steam has had on PC gaming.

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17:03 Jan-25-2019

Well yeah true, good or bad, steam did make PC gaming a lot more popular for sure, even though there was no way to accurately measure how well PC gaming was back in the day, on top of that gaming as a whole was less popular back then than now, even if only a handful of games are responsible for the rise in popularity of video games(and the ones that make most of the money).

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17:12 Jan-25-2019

Glances at PlayStation 2, bestselling console in history

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17:23 Jan-25-2019

Egh it was the best selling because it was sold for very long, 14 years, and it was super cheap from the get-go and got much cheaper as time passed on, and it was the cheapest DVD player. And due to the lack of competition, the competition sold very little in comparison.


Look at total units sold for the generation. 6th generation consoles sold about 200 million, 156 million for the PS2, 25 million for the Xbox Original and 20 million for the Game Cube.
Compare it to the 7th generation where the PS3 sold 86 million, Xbox 360 sold 84 million and the WII sold 102 million and as you said PC was getting more popular after the mid-2000s and those consoles sold for only 7-8 years compared to the 9 for the Xbox original and 14 for the ps2. Gamecube was only 6 though.

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17:23 Jan-25-2019

Like after the first year of the PS4 and Xbox One it was said that it's impossible to reach PS2 numbers according to some analysts.

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18:15 Jan-25-2019

Let me tell you guys a story..


In my country, about 15 ish years ago, nearly EVERYONE was buying pirated game CD/DVDs 'cause it's cheap, and the original ones were either too expensive or too hard to find for many of us. Heck, many don't even know if these game CD/DVDs were pirated, and basically illegal. But our government didn't regulate these kind of business back then. So, it goes on..

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Then Steam came, got popular here although we have to use Credit Cards back then to buy games. Eventually Steam wallet codes could be bought at the nearest minimarts with 20-30% mark-up. But hey, at least it's more accessible than other platform, and Steam's pricing here are actually pretty good, plus their crazy sales made more people here actually buy the game.

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18:16 Jan-25-2019

So in here, if the price was right (a.k.a. dirt cheap if possible), and it's accessible for many, people will bought it. 3rd world country problems, LOL. We don't really care about owning the actual game. No, our standards aren't that high yet, as we still try to convince hordes of pirates to actually buy the game rather than download it in some war3z sites.

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18:38 Jan-25-2019

Yeah in your case sure thing.


Though it's a little odd for a country without video game bans to not have video games in stores. My country is full of pirates that don't buy games and there are very few games(but a big variety of games), which is perfectly enough since again not many people buy them, so they store as much as they need. Worst case scenario you can make shop/store order it for you.

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17:46 Jan-24-2019

i donot know what to say.
i will just play it on ny pc.
thats all i can do.


peace.

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15:58 Jan-24-2019

And it's my policy to not buy and pirate any game using denuvo.

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15:31 Jan-24-2019

So what's going to happen with Deep Silver's games that are already on GOG?

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15:35 Jan-24-2019

It'll be for new releases, they won't care about old ones, that damage is already done there

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12:16 Jan-25-2019

Would you care to explain about the damage that is already done?

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14:39 Jan-25-2019

They've already been cracked and distributed years ago. There is no argument for them having copy protection

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14:35 Jan-24-2019

Every time I hear the words "company polity" I want to shoot someone in the face, point blank, with a 10-gauge...


Every single time I've heard this phrase has been nothing but pain due to moronic practices, misunderstandings and generally trying to waive any responsibility. I hate "company policy" excuses.

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14:57 Jan-24-2019

Sorry dude but it's company policy.

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14:59 Jan-24-2019

Phew I thought I'd written polity in the headline for a moment

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20:32 Jan-24-2019

LOL, took me a few seconds to figure out why you wrote that xD
Well, too late to edit my comment now...

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12:27 Jan-24-2019

Will buy it for PS4.

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13:01 Jan-24-2019

i dont know how people play fps games with a controller

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13:03 Jan-24-2019

It's fairly easy, some people just haven't used a controller much and are bad/inexperienced with it. A great controller user can easily be on par with an average mouse and keyboard user (can't compete with top-tier mouse and keyboard play though)

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14:38 Jan-24-2019

A great controller user will only be able to compete with an average or below average mouse user in slow-paced games. Duck and cover, peak around, hide to heal, etc. In games like DOOM or Quake or the likes controller users, however great, just get massacred by even low-level mouse users. So I'd say it depends heavily on the game style.

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14:57 Jan-24-2019

I would agree.

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15:01 Jan-24-2019

I think you're massively overestimating how good the average player is with a mouse. But yeah, in fast-paced shooters the advantage leans even more into mouse and keyboard users

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13:07 Jan-24-2019

Long before I started playing on PC, I played lots of shooters on Xbox 360. I was pretty darn good, could land those headshots easily+if you're playing against the AI you don't need to be even decent. I'm worthless with a controller now, though... :D

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13:16 Jan-24-2019

@Jon +1
Absolutely agree. And on top of that to be truly good with a controller you have to learn to play without aim-assist, then learn to play with aim-assist(I still can't play with aim-assist) and when you go to a competitive PVP environment you play with aim assist and you just dominate them.


I had a friend that was so good with a controller that I couldn't tell if he was playing with a controller or mouse an keyboard, I really couldn't, yes he wasn't some top 5% player, but still. He did equally as well with a controller as he did with a mouse and he was above average. He could even control recoil with a controller precisely.

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14:05 Jan-24-2019

they just have aimbots implemented

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14:11 Jan-24-2019

context, please?

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14:40 Jan-24-2019

Read: "aim-assist".

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14:54 Jan-24-2019

oh, well then my point above his stands strong.

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12:02 Jan-25-2019

People play Siege just fine and it has zero aim-assist. There are games out there without it

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11:58 Jan-24-2019

"Witcher 3 didn't have denuvo, still sold great and was on top"

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13:06 Jan-24-2019

Denuvo is an investor pleaser, I doubt that their programmers don't know the fact that it can and will be cracked, but investors are uninformed and ignorant, they don't know that or anything when it comes to game development, so what the message they get from denuvo is that denuvo is an anti-theft device, similar to car anti-theft devices and that's all they care, but just like anti-theft car devices so does denuvo get bypassed.


Everything that is compiled down to assembly or machine code can and will be cracked, exploited or bypassed and everything does get compiled down to assembly...


And stop putting CDPR in the same picture as the rest, they have GoG and are backed up by the Polish government...
On top of that they underpay and straight up don't pay for after hour work... -_-

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13:25 Jan-24-2019

They are in the same picture as the rest because this is not the discussion about the work ethics, environment, their subsidiaries or who they're backed by. This is a question about games and DRM, therefore his point is completely valid.

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13:34 Jan-24-2019

Yeah sure... 0 risk vs all the risk is the same...
It's like saying that driving with 200km/h and you shouldn't put your seatbelt, even though it won't save your life anyway and driving at 30 km/h and saying you shouldn't put your seatbelt... -_-


On top of that before The WItcher 3 CDPR had very few investors... and they didn't have to please them as much.
And since their anti-drm marketing plot worked so well, they are sticking to it... but oh wait...
Oh, so they are against DRM? Then what is the Witcher 1,2 and 3 doing on Steam??? The biggest DRM out there? Hypocrites...

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13:40 Jan-24-2019

They're on GOG as well. They provide you with a choice if nothing else, for convenience sake.
If their games were only available on Steam then you have a point, they aren't though, therefore your point is nonexistent.

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13:41 Jan-24-2019

And no. You're saying that because someone is an awful and careless driver their advancements in a different field should be completely disregarded. That's just stupid.

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13:43 Jan-24-2019

No, their point is FCK DRM and yet they use it... if they weren't on any DRM then they would have a point...
on top of that they are on GoG, but if your account gets deleted you lose the game the moment it's no longer on your hard drive... great... so their half-arsed non-DRM, DRM-like solution is in fact not much different, nor much better than Steam... -_-

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13:58 Jan-24-2019

Their point is FCK DRM and every single product they provide there is free of DRM, including their own titles. GOG provides you with ability to download and play any of those games listed from their own servers.

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13:58 Jan-24-2019

Once it's on your hard drive they have completed their part of the job. If your account gets deleted shortly after, you'll still be able to play that game if you have it downloaded. That's DRM free.

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13:58 Jan-24-2019

What you seem to want is to have constant access to their download servers and the ability to use them or misuse them as you see fit. Just as with phisical CD's, if you have it downloaded on your HD, you have to store it yourself.

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13:58 Jan-24-2019

You break the CD or delete the file and it's gone. You wouldn't ask for someone to send you a replacement CD free of charge because you broke yours? So why do you want them to give you free access to their servers if you've misused them?

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14:03 Jan-24-2019

And if my account gets deleted and my hard-drive dies, or I delete it by mistake?


How do you break a CD not on purpose? I have hundreds of games on DVD/CD/Blu-Ray and they are not even scratched and tons of them are in a spindle, not even in their boxes(as I threw them away as a kid, cuz I was dumb) and they are all perfectly fine... and I haven't been careful with them at all...


Imagine if it's memory cards... which is the logical thing to do... 64GB Memory card costs 10$ USD/8 euro to the user and they were sued for price-gauging, imagine the markup and then how much they actually cost... -_-

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14:09 Jan-24-2019

Than that's on you. Once it's in your possession, on your HD, than it's entirely your responsibility. They're not responsible for physical defects or software issues not related to their product, and they shouldn't be.

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14:09 Jan-24-2019

If you wan't, you can copy that game to as many different hard drives as you want, burn it on a CD or put it on a SD card. What you do with those games after you've downloaded them from their platform is entirely up to you.

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14:09 Jan-24-2019

How do you break a CD not on purpose?
That question is entirely irrelevant to this discussion.
Same way I can ask you how did you delete that file out of accident?
Doesn't matter whatsoever and they're not responsible for your faults.

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14:17 Jan-24-2019

Yeah, put everything on the consumer, because you are biased towards CDPR... -_-
So by that logic warranty shouldn't exist... it's in your hands deal with it, who gives a crap what is wrong with it or what happens to it... Patches for games shouldn't exist either, it's in your hands, decompile it and fix it yourself right?... It's all the consumer once they've bought it and it's on their hard disk... Like what is that logic...


Idiot-proofing should be a staple of any good product design... You don't have idiot-proofing your product is bad, that's why tons of different companies are getting criticized along with the planned obsolescence... why not gaming companies? It applied for physical disks in local, stores gave you warranty and if your disk broke, they'd replace it in a time period

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14:44 Jan-24-2019

Oh I broke you I guess. I'm not biased towards any company, let alone CDPR. They have lot's of faults I dont personally like.
What I am biased towards is the truth, and here I'm just straightening your misinformation with how stuff works.

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14:44 Jan-24-2019

So let's start. Warranty is a service guaranteed by the manufacturer that your product will work for set amount of time unless you physically abuse it or tamper with it in any way, shape or form.

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14:45 Jan-24-2019

You can void your warranty by damaging a physical product, or by breaking the warranty agreement, and by doing so they have every right to not provide you with their services covered by warranty.

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14:45 Jan-24-2019

You can easily apply that situation in GOG case. As long as you don't break the agreement you made with CDPR when making your GOG account, you're provided with 24/7 access to your titles bought on their platform.

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14:45 Jan-24-2019

If you do break the agreement they can terminate your account and you've "voided your warranty", as in they can revoke their services to you. You can draw analogues with warranty and patches as well.

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14:45 Jan-24-2019

As said, manufacturer provides you with a timed warranty on your product, just as developer provides you with a timed support and fixes, patches, for your product, game or a piece of software in this case.

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14:45 Jan-24-2019

So to summarize, is it all the consumer once you've the broken the agreement or warranty. Yes. Your faults with that specific product from that point onwards are entirely your problem and the provider doesn't suffer additional consequences.

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14:45 Jan-24-2019

Idiot-proofing is a staple of good product design, but it only goes as far. As long as you haven't broken the agreement you made with GOG when making the account, you're free to download games you bought there as many times as you want.

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14:45 Jan-24-2019

Just as if you haven't voided your warranty, you're applicable to be provided with necessary fixes provided by the warranty program.

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15:29 Jan-24-2019

You didn't break me. Nice strategy of putting words into other's mouths, assuming arrogantly positions and trying to establish dominance. Yeah neat tactics to win debates, but they don't work on me. There are great books on those techniques too for those who don't get them "naturally".


So let's begin.
Warranty is specified by the company and not limited by anything... Local stores gave 1-year warranty that if the disc got damage they'd replace it and they did, my brother(he was 2-3 years old at the time)broke an Original Xbox disc when we were little and the store replaced it...


And that's the problem, that agreement for the account is just DRM... which is what most people are against, but don't realize it...

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15:31 Jan-24-2019

So it's DRM from the get-go. It's not DRM when I can purchase games without having to have an account or any other form of authentication...


If I can go to an online store and buy a game without having to make an account, having to run DRM software, having a GUID, a way to track my game or anything, then it's not DRM... simple as that...


I give them the money and get the game, like in a physical store, then sure. You don't have to make an account or anything to buy a game from a physical store. Then when I go online, there are no GUIDs, no nothing... I can play with whatever name I want and it's not tied to an account, GUID or anything similar, that's DRM free... They can't restrict me from playing online in any way... otherwise, it's DRM...

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15:32 Jan-24-2019

I mean they can ban my IP, location, hardware ID, user name and so on, obviously, but nothing more, nothing less, otherwise it's DRM... Digital Rights Management after all, if there is more to that, then they are managing my software for me... and it's DRM.

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16:45 Jan-24-2019

You jumped onto strawman arguments which do not concern the original argument, but I guess I didn't "break you". I have to be a bit more creative with my words because I don't have much space to write.

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16:46 Jan-24-2019

Yeah, it's a nice strategy, luckily I didn't do that. You did. Doesn't matter now. But lets summarize what you want mister smart pants.
Warranty is specified by the provider, company as you said in this case, that's great.

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16:46 Jan-24-2019

That's what I said. Glad we're starting on the same page. They choose what are the rules under warranty agreement. You break those you lose access to warranty.

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16:46 Jan-24-2019

So you would rather have a completely anonymous purchase, which is understandable, bit strange coming from you, but still understandable. That purchase being covered by warranty only for a year after purchasing that product.

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16:46 Jan-24-2019

Meaning that regardless of any hardware or software faults you get to redownload it as many times as you want during that time, but after that year is gone your "warranty ended" and you lose access to their services and servers?

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16:53 Jan-24-2019

No, I didn't.
Also, it's not anonymous, I'm there buying it, or online, giving my name and card number to buy it, how is it anonymous? They can have all the info they want on me, just do NOT tie it to an account since DRM sucks... Let it be free from DRM.


And these are not strawman arguments, these are DRM arguments, the exact reason why DRM sucks... it gives companies control over the product they sold to you...
That's like being sold a car that they can remotely kill of the engine the moment they see fit in a press of a button... or when you break the warranty or something they don't want you to do with your car, I can assure you people would riot if that were the case, hell they riot for freaking gas prices, imagine if they had a remote way to kill your engine and thus the car

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17:16 Jan-24-2019

The best free DRM alternative, true DRM free alternative would be a one time purchase with a one time download link provided to you after the fact. That way the seller insures that you will not go around sharing his property.

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17:16 Jan-24-2019

I though don't mind having my DRM free games tied to an account because such way I have a sort of a backup measure in the worst case scenario.

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17:17 Jan-24-2019

But we don't live in a fantasy world kid, I sure would love to, but we don't. The sooner you understand that, the better.

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17:19 Jan-24-2019

Yeah, a link is good enough, probably second best after physical copies. No account, no nothing, not for downloading and running the game, not for multiplayer.


And you can buy games on different accounts and just sell accounts with one game in them, I don't know how they think that having an account would save you from sharing the software or selling it second hand.

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17:27 Jan-24-2019

Sadly we live in a world in which certain individuals control the masses and then the masses control the rest of the individuals. Never to have freedom or real choice... -_-

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17:40 Jan-24-2019

"And stop putting CDPR in the same picture as the rest".
Psychoman dont get angry it's company polity. XD

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17:42 Jan-24-2019

Why would you assume I'm angry?

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18:56 Jan-24-2019

He's never angry, he's the "Wokest" guy ever. He doesn't understand the concept of anger. He's never been angry in his life.

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IDK what being woke means... Well I've never been angry(as far as I can remember), pissed off yes, annoyed yes, frustrated yes, but to be shouting, screaming, breaking, wanting to hurt out of emotion, wishing bad things out of emotion or irritation, cursing and so on... nope. that's my brother's job when he gets killed in league of legends or misses a goal in rocet league XD


Maybe when I was a kid, but I don't remember... And according to my parents, I was never the type to get angry, they said I was worse... I pulled "pranks" and "mischief", IDK if it's the right word...

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22:52 Jan-24-2019

If you've been pissed off, annoyed and frustrated than yes, you've been angry. Sorry Mr.Vulcan, but you do act out of your emotion, you just don't want to admit it. Either that or you're a psychopath.

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11:29 Jan-25-2019

Not at all, don't put every negative emotion in the angry or sad category, there are far more negative emotions than that.
Also, I don't act out of emotion, if i did I would have dropped out of university and hell even school... -_-

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18:55 Jan-24-2019

Oh booo hooo. Everyone is free and has a choice. If they decide to follow the masses, that's again their choice. If they decide not to educate and follow blindly, that's again their choice.
As I said, we don't live in a fantasy world.

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18:55 Jan-24-2019

And I certainly wouldn't want to live in yours. Pretty sure you wouldn't live for long there either.

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19:42 Jan-24-2019

Well, I want at least simple choices... Like for example, I go to university... there is no alternative to University/College... No other authorized education system... You can choose from a dozen universities, but that's the thing, it's all the same and they are all crap, they are still universities based on the same old, outdated, inefficient education system from way back in the day of factories and pipelines or whatever they were called in English...


I don't even have a choice in authorized, accepted by society education... -_-

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22:54 Jan-24-2019

There is an alternative to University/College. It's called a job. In some cases it's not even an alternative but a necessity. What other educational system would your grace ask for exactly? You have a choice and you made it by going to Uni.

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I also could very easily argue they aren't the same. You weren't forced to go, and society certainly didn't make you do it, but it's an easy thing to blame, isn't it.
There are more people on the world without a Uni degree than with.

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22:59 Jan-24-2019

You should be happy for even having a choice because many people don't and they'd love the "inefficient no alternative" Uni more than you ever would. But I'll guess, you've never been happy. Primitive concept of basic emotions eludes you?

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11:32 Jan-25-2019

Society totally did, because in my country sadly most people think highly of these dumb bachelor and magister certificates, which are totally useless, but still and if I want to work what I want to work(not a code monkey for years, until they decide it's a good idea to promote me and give me actual work) I'm required to have these freaking certificates and that's almost everywhere...

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11:35 Jan-25-2019

And I can tell you an amazing simple education system. Let's say you want to learn to code, then what you do is go there and apply, take a simple programming test and then every day, five days a week, for 6-8 hours you are thought straight up programming and nothing else, by competent developers that are also a competent lecturer and then after those about 8 hours are over you go home and study for yourself another 4-8 hours and then rinse and repeat.


This way you are learning 60-70-80 hours a week programming and in a year of 46 weeks that's 2760 to 3680 hours a year, for 4 years and you will be amazing at programming. It can be applied to any other field... -_-


There are such courses, but the problem is that their certificates are not authorized and not official...

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Currently, in my dumbarse university that indeed many people do find a job in their field after graduating it, I study 9 different subjects, 10 if you count PE and only 3 hours a week programming, on top of that to get in I had to take a math test... a math test for a programming specialization, well they are absolute masterminds...
After the first two years, the subjects will fall down 6... and programming will become 6 hours a week pathetic...


On top of that I'm lecturing my lectors that are also professionals, how do they maintain their jobs is beyond me... like come on... -_-


And I have almost no time to study on my own... thanks useless piece of crap university, teaching me next to nothing about 9 subjects...

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14:55 Jan-25-2019

You know, I've been trying to figure out why the hell I keep coming back here and arguing with you. And I finally have.
You remind me of someone really close, of myself after I've finished high school and picked a university.

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14:55 Jan-25-2019

What I stupid little idiot I was. I always wanted to talk to myself back then and figure out where it all came from, and I kinda did trough you. Sounds a bit sentimental and stupid but and it is, but f*ck it.

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14:55 Jan-25-2019

I thought I had it all figured out back there. That I figured the world, and I couldn't understand why no one else is as aware as I am about it. I was correcting my teachers, acing my classes, etc.

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14:55 Jan-25-2019

Wondering how they're all just cogs in the machine of society, a machine which I broke out of and found a way to escape. I was the smartest, the brightest and the best, is what I thought anyway.

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14:55 Jan-25-2019

I learned later that I had a very selfish, ignorant and narrow point of view, fighting an enemy which wants to get me, an enemy which doesn't exist, one I called society.

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14:55 Jan-25-2019

You'll get to the point in your life looking back to these years of yours and asking yourself how did you manage to be such an idiot. But I guess it's a part of growing up, one you have to get to yourself.

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15:33 Jan-25-2019

But I don't think I'm smart, I'd say I'm a bit below average to average at best and my problem is that everything is inefficient... I mean in 16-18 years of education the education system produces people that can barely land a job in what they've been educated in and it's not their fault. I was listening to everyone around me until 11th grade to just go along with school, everything will be great and I was like really? Because school was so daft and boring and easy and if that was all to it, then it was way too easy and it was...

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I started looking at stats, not just in my country, even if you finish oxford, harvard, or whatever else most people get boring, entry to above entry jobs(those who just followed the education system and aced it, but didn't learn almost anything additional)... and I want to work due to sheer work, but I want the work I do to be interesting and challenging and not brain-dead... And 9:30 till 17:30 or even 18:30 every day I have to waste time there, then have mandatory brain-dead homework that teaches me nothing and then I travel 2 days a week... greaaat... totally awesome... Next to no free time and wasting my time that could actually be productive...

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15:41 Jan-25-2019

And people don't care, that is sad. They just don't care if it's good or bad, they roll with it... People have been broken down into submission for generations it seems... given up... But they will go and riot because the fuel prices increased a dozen cents... ffs... -_-

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15:44 Jan-25-2019

And I have proof that I'm right, my best friend is that proof... he managed to prove that the education system is pointless, he got a programming job at 16 before even finishing school... And at that point, I had confirmation that the education system is pointless...

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15:50 Jan-25-2019

Yes buddy, because one specific case on a planet with over 7 billion people is enough to disregard and dismiss the whole educational system. That's how proof works.
I mean, Steven is right. You're still just an ignorant kid with a shallow point of view. But I can't fault you, I was too.

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15:56 Jan-25-2019

No, my point was that I was told that the education system is great, mandatory and without I wouldn't be able to do anything, he proved what everybody was saying wrong, while the education system keeps people useless... I don't want to be 25-30 before I can actually be on the skill level and level of productivity I want to be... but as It seems I'm going to be buried in useless crap till then... -_-

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16:01 Jan-25-2019

I'm wasting time doing nothing(a.k.a conforming to the education system) and at least up till 8th grade and in 11-12th grade(I took a lazy break in the second half of 8th till 11th grade due to being told by everyone that everything is in the education system) I had time to study on my own and develop many skills and learn many things that are benefitial to me on a daily basis... Now I have 0 time... and since I didn't focus on one thing, I can't be on a productivity level I want to be in any of the fields I've studied... thanks to just going with the education system...

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16:08 Jan-25-2019

Then leave the Uni. If you think you're smart enough to teach yourself the skills you need and all the rest that goes with it, why go to the Uni?
And don't give me that crap you gave up there, "society wants me to", because you just used your friend as an definite example that such thing is not the case.
You really have an out for every possible situation, don't you? Everything always seems to be other people's fault or pressure, and you are "forced" to conform. Please...

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16:13 Jan-25-2019

You not only want to have everything, but you also want it all to be under your strict certain conditions. And everything that isn't is always someone elses fault. The world doesn't revolve around you, you're not the center of the universe.
You learn to either accept that, or keep lying to yourself and blaming everyone else because people won't dance to your music.

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16:15 Jan-25-2019

I won't be bothering myself responding to what you say here, so you don't have to bother writing anything.
We've gone through this plenty of times and have never gotten anywhere.
Your head is always in the clouds and big enough for the universe to revolve around it, I just hope it doesn't stay that way. For your sake.

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16:16 Jan-25-2019

Nobody gives a crap how skilled you are if you don't have those certificates, my friend couldn't get promoted further due to no having them, even though he was overqualified, since instead of promoting people like him, the bosses of his company were so daft they hired new people that had those certificates instead of promoting those without who deserved it...


And there is a chance that they will be mandatory in the future too, cuz laws... it's been debated for a long time for engineering jobs to have mandatory at least bachelor degree(even to start a company in that field) and people mostly lean to agree with it, just like doctors and lawyers... that's also a big factor.

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16:17 Jan-25-2019

Keep in mind universities here that are official and authorized are all public, private ones aren't official, can't be official and don't count... So yeah totally my own man able to do whatever I want unrestricted by anything, except it's the exact opposite...

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16:18 Jan-25-2019

That's also why my friend quit, he would have to wait too long for a promotion and the (big)chance of bachelor or even magister certificate requirement is big bullcrap... -_-

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16:30 Jan-25-2019

You use your friend as a proof that educational system is "bad" by saying that he got a job without necessary education required, and now you reverse that by 180 and say he left that job because he didn't have the necessary education.
We're pretty much done here. You can't even keep your damn lies straight and you expect to argue anything.

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16:32 Jan-25-2019

As soon as anyone questions your points you turn them by 180 and bring another irrelevant thing to the mix. Is it that damn hard to admit that you maybe made a mistake or that your point doesn't have much of a substance?
I don't care. I'm not commenting on this chain anymore.

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16:46 Jan-25-2019

Not at all, as I said above, I was told that without the education I could literally not do almost anything, but bam he landed an engineering job without an education... that was my point, I thought I was clear on it...
Also, the reason why they will require a bachelor's degree for engineering specialties is because here university is cheap(125-175 euro a semester) and apart from the very old timers that 55-70 years old, almost everybody has at least a bachelor degree at the very least on top of most companies requiring it anyways as well... it would be as standard and normal as just finishing high-school. My apartment is 20-25 euro a month, so here going to university is barely more expensive to your parents than just staying at home...

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16:50 Jan-25-2019

And that's for the higher-up universities in the capital. Now there is the so-called American college which is expensive as hell(for obvious reasons), but otherwise, it's cheap, that's why many people come to study medicine in my country...


And IDK how I turned 180, when I gave you a detailed explanation about everything, it's not as simple to be straight forward...


I want the education system to produce fully productive and capable people by the age of 18-20, is it that much? Instead of producing barely useful people at the age of 24-25... -_-

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16:54 Jan-25-2019

Books range between 2.5-10 euro as well, so they aren't any of these 100 euro books that are basically the same thing, except that the author wants to get paid more...

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16:55 Jan-25-2019

OMG I know your economy is completely different but I have just started dreaming of 25 Euro rent.

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17:08 Jan-25-2019

It's only for students, chill XD
You sincerely made me laugh right here. :) Maybe due to how I read your comment, but mostly what you said for sure.


Otherwise, the rent in the capital is utter crap, it's overpopulated, 3million people out of 6 million people are in the capital alone, 50% of the country's population in a city that was built for 300-400,000 people... Thus the demand is high and supply is very limited. Getting around in this massive(yet small for other countries) city is a nightmare, that's why I want to graduate and go to my home town.

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17:13 Jan-25-2019

Ah ok fair enough lol, I'll cancel my plane ticket

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In other cities a two-room apartment is from 100-200 euro, depending on how big the rooms are. XD
About 100 euro per 25-30 square meters in my town.
There are a dozen 75 euro apartments consisting of 12-14 square meters room + bathroom + corridor in my city.

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21:48 Jan-22-2019

I'm tired of people telling that games need DRM protection in order to survive. Back in the old days games barely had any DRM protection and anti tamper software protecting DRM solutions didn't exist. A game will always sell if it is great.

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11:00 Jan-24-2019

Wow you are remembering the old days completely wrong. There were all sorts of arcane DRM solutions

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11:03 Jan-24-2019

In fact, I'll go one step further - I think it has literally never been less hassle to play a DRM-protected game than it is today.

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13:19 Jan-24-2019

As long as you have a stable internet connection and their servers don't fail rendering your games unplayable.
But yes, you could argue that copy protection is less of a hassle today, but DRM wasn't really present back in the day, it's a more recently adopted solution.

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And as long as your account doesn't get deleted, you don't speak against them or break an NDA so that they delete the games in your account, or they hack their servers, or in some way physically damage their servers you are fine...


Like there was that guy that broke an NDA and his origin account or was it his uplay account got wiped... yeah totally cool to have DRM, if they were physical copies they would have to come to his place and burn them for him not to play... DRM sucks...

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13:24 Jan-24-2019

why am I getting those horrible insert game CD memories...sigh!

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13:36 Jan-24-2019

who says that the physical format has to be CD? It's not 2005, SD cards are huge and cheap and small, you can have tons of them in the space of one DVD drive...

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13:49 Jan-24-2019

The guy broke the NDA agreement. It's entirely possible that NDA had stated that breaking it could result in complete termination of service, which is completely streamers fault. He played with fire and then got burned.

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13:51 Jan-24-2019

well my reply was to Jon's comment Pscychoman. guess I should have been quicker.

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13:50 Jan-24-2019

And they wouldn't be able to do that if there was no DRM... or any sort of account(which is DRM) in the first place... if the games were on a physical format they couldn't be able to do that... -_-

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13:58 Jan-24-2019

They could've pursued actual legal actions against the guy which could result in much more serious situation for him.
He broke a legal contract, he suffered the consequences. He's lucky they only did what they did.

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Pfff as if breaking the laws means there should be consequence... tons of people break laws on a daily basis and they get away with it...
And since you are side-tracking it means I'm correct, because well obviously(not to be captain obvious) I am...


And breaking NDAs means you won't be given exclusive early access in the future, they can't do more than that...

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14:17 Jan-24-2019

Getting away with breaking the law is entirely different thing. If he got away with breaking the NDA agreement, as in not got caught, he'd still have his Origin account. Again your point is entirely irrelevant and proves nothing.

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14:17 Jan-24-2019

If you wan't your ego stroked, than yes, you're partially correct. They couldn't have deleted his account if he had physical copies. But they could've and would've restricted access to their services all the same.

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14:17 Jan-24-2019

Signing the NDA means that you agreed to do what is written in the contract. It can be as simple as not receiving exclusive early access to their titles, or a more serious situation which could've been the case here.

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14:17 Jan-24-2019

They can do anything that's written in the contract and they can write anything they want. If you agree to it you will suffer the consequences of what's written in it. Simple as that.

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14:26 Jan-24-2019

I doubt anybody would sign such a NDA... think about it...
And having an online DRM is stupid, if it was DRM free you just connect to a server and play... no account and passwords and jack... that's DRM as well... having GUIDs and so on... that's DRM...


in a truly free of DRM game, it would be like CS 1.6 for example, change your name and IP and you can play again no matter how they banned you, worst-case scenario your hardware ID(not that they could ban you like that in CS 1.6) and you are done...
There are no accounts, no passwords, no nothing, that is the definition of DRM free...

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14:54 Jan-24-2019

Why wouldn't they. As long as they dont go out of their way to break it, they have absolutely nothing to worry about. You don't suffer the consequences if you don't break the agreement. Simple as that.

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14:54 Jan-24-2019

CS 1.6 is not DRM free. It's a Steam title. If you've gotten it for free means that you have a pirated copy of the game.
Now getting banned means that you've broken and you've been booted of the place.

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14:54 Jan-24-2019

If there are no repercussions to breaking the rules than the system doesn't work, does it. If that is how CS 1.6 works than it's a simply a faulty game. If you've been banned you shouldn't be able to get back to where you were banned from.

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14:54 Jan-24-2019

The true definition of DRM free is completely free open source software. That though is not applicable because no one would be able to work off of it.

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14:31 Jan-24-2019

Racking up their downvotes, whoops. I guess no one remembers Spore, or CD keys on very losable game manuals, or dial-a-pirate, or damn wordsearches that needed to be completed every time you booted a game. Or SecuRom.


Anti-piracy has been intrusive since forever, and right now it has never been more seamless. A lot of people who aren't clued up on DRM won't even be aware it's there, that's what I mean. Yes, the internet is a problem but when you buy from an online store you're kind of buying into the whole having internet thing. Buying and playing a PC game legitimately is so much easier now than it's ever been, your only concern is not getting your account banned. Which, for non-hackers and non-racists/hate-filled weirdos is really very easy.

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14:59 Jan-24-2019

It is seamless, unless it breaks. And when it breaks it usually breaks for everyone involved. So yes, there are the good and the bad, but I do agree, it is less of a hassle than it used to be.

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15:15 Jan-24-2019

Mmhmm, like everything. The interesting day will be when a game client or DRM service actually goes down and brings its games with it.

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15:42 Jan-24-2019

Anti-piracy measures are pointless. People that pirate wouldn't buy a game regardless if it can or can't be cracked... it's not a necessity. In my country, I'm one of the few who buys software as a whole, let alone video games... I very well know the mentality of pirates as I'm surrounded by them...


DRM is just there for companies to have control over the product you've bought if they ever need or desire to apply that control, which sucks balls... They can do whatever they want...

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14:54 Jan-24-2019

@psychoman
What is more applicable to DRM free is software, which after you've bought it, you have completely free and full reign over with the provider being satisfied with the transaction and that's it.

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15:34 Jan-24-2019

Well CS 1.6 is not necessarily on steam you know, it existed before steam was a thing...
It's DRM free once not on steam. The only thing they can do to prevent you from playing from there on out is ban your IP, Hardware ID and nick-name, all is changeable, so they can't really stop you from playing the game in any way shape or form.

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15:36 Jan-24-2019

You can't get VACed since there is no steam, nor account to tie that VAC to, you can't get your game removed, since again no account, DRM or anything it's tied to... they can't restrict you from going on their servers, why? Well, again no account tied to it, nothing... completely free... and again IP, nickname and hardware ID are changeable easily.

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16:47 Jan-24-2019

So you want completely free unrestricted access to other people's services without carrying no responsibility whatsoever?
Please then, tell me, how the hell is that fair?

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16:55 Jan-24-2019

hmmm... how is it not fair? You buy the product you use it, you go to their servers since they have agreed that this game will be played by many players... that's how it was back in the day, if they don't like it, then they shouldn't make a multiplayer online game...

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16:55 Jan-24-2019

Freedom with their exception is not freedom...

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18:58 Jan-24-2019

It's not their exception, it's their game. They're not your slaves to build and serve you. They provide you a product and you have a free choice whether you play it or not. If you do you play by the rules set, not the ones you want to have.

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19:00 Jan-24-2019

Why do you think you have a right to dictate what other people do for themselves?

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19:58 Jan-24-2019

So me wanting to be able to use what I've purchased freely is bad? Hmmm... -_-
Double standards suck mate... if it were any other product people would riot... Let's say if a dealer sold you a car, you paid all of it upfront, but they can do whatever they want with it, use it whenever they see fit and take it from you whenever they see fit, people would riot... same would go for a house/apartment...
But the same principle is ignored in video games? Nah man...

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21:25 Jan-22-2019

Well guess this year I be buying The Outer Worlds instead of Metro Exodus.
I'm big fan of Metro and S.T.A.L.K.E.R. games but I simply can't stand the DRM

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21:37 Jan-22-2019

Place where DRM games belong - Trash

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20:39 Jan-22-2019

Blue pill-red pill question. Hmmm… It's probably be a red one. Can wait.
Not sure €85 is worth all the fuss.

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16:04 Jan-22-2019

much time , effort , money is invested in , so , i guess developers are right in there approach to tackle piracy through DRM etc, & sad part is only those who legitmately bought suffer from these tactics . but developers need some protectio

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16:08 Jan-22-2019

n , in order to earn profit . in the end any thing & every thing done today , end point is either you earn well or go out of business . take for instance , movies such as infinity war realeased in theaters gross over 2 billion . if this mov

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16:12 Jan-22-2019

ie was released on all platforms at once ( bluray , dvd , tv , internet etc ) would they have earned ? i personally think there should be atleast 4-6 months of gap between pirated version . because the fact is those who want to buy will buy

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16:18 Jan-22-2019

within 2-3 months . those who will not buy will not buy it at all . & piracy also help franchise to earn more & more . similar as i guess there were many who ended up at theaters for infinity war after watching pirated copies of other movie

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16:26 Jan-22-2019

Well Idk, Witcher 3 has earned so much money without a DRM. Make a great game and people will buy it instead of piraing it. Also, producers of Game of Thrones are not mad that the series is being pirated...

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17:03 Jan-22-2019

Such a poor example though. The Witcher 3 is the example used every time. It's very little surprise one of the best RPGs of all time sold a lot of copies and DRM was arguably totally irrelevant to that. Correlation, not causation.


let's take Pillars of Eternity 2 as a counter-example. It's got an 89% MetaCritic score, it's a fantastic game, it launched DRM-free. It tanked and sold fewer than 110K copies. Being DRM-free did nothing for it.

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22:02 Jan-22-2019

@Jon DRM software costs a lot, pirates aren't consumers anyways, poe 2 is competing in a heavily saturated niche market. Denuvo wouldn't have saved this title, it was doomed to fail despite it being decent.

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22:10 Jan-22-2019

@Jon I played poe 2 and the game was at best a 6 out of 10 for me. The main issue was it being far too easy at highest difficulty, story was underwhelming, the sequel felt as a new franchise no continuation. It really wasn't that good tbh.

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09:52 Jan-23-2019

My point is the opposite. I'm not saying DRM would've saved PoE2, I'm saying going DRM-free is not a reliable way to sell more copies of a game. Citing THe Witcher 3 is pointless because it almost certainly would've sold millions of copies with Denuvo anyway because it's a great game with wide appeal.

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14:15 Jan-22-2019

Who cares if it has Denuvo? In a matter of days. It will be cracked and be available on pirate sites!

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15:05 Jan-22-2019

sometimes I think they make these announcements on purpose, just to hype & piss-off all the cracker guys to make them WANT to crack them xD

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16:28 Jan-22-2019

thats not the point.. it doesnt hurt the pirates, it hurts the people that pay and try to legitimately play it.. it just takes up more resources for your pc, User ISilverX two comments below this showed the best example.. you're getting a diminished experience because the developers decided to use Denuvo.

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21:51 Jan-22-2019

I rather have it on GOG instead pirate sites because I like to support the devs without supporting useless DRM.

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12:15 Jan-22-2019

I mean, it is expected for AAA releases to have Denuvo..

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11:38 Jan-22-2019

More Denuvo benhmarks. Anything running on your PC costs cpu cycles, as simple as that.

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19:45 Jan-22-2019

Informative video!

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11:27 Jan-24-2019

This needs more upvotes and that video needs way more views.
I knew DENUVO was bad but never know how bad until now.
It significantly impacts loading times, the framerate and frametimes(stutter).

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09:39 Jan-22-2019

well drm has never stopped me from buying any game in the past, so this no deal breaker for me am still getting this game regardless

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08:59 Jan-22-2019

Not buying games on release is now more worth it than ever. Wait for a deep discount (3-4 weeks only sometimes) and by then they might have removed the DRM because it will have been cracked. Also performance issues and bugs are more likely to be patched. Win-win in my book.

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14:16 Jan-22-2019

And in holidays. Expect this game to be discounted at 50% - 70% of it's original price from STEAM.

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