Up For Debate - When does gaming trash talk go too far?

Written by Jon Sutton on Sat, May 4, 2019 4:07 PM

Microsoft has updated its Xbox Community guidelines in an effort to make it clearer and more transparent what is, and isn’t, acceptable in terms of trash talk on Xbox Live.

The new guidelines outline the difference between trash talk and harassment, I guess because some people need to be talked to like idiots to have it explained to them. A little trash talk is a-ok with Microsoft, who say “A little trash talk is an expected part of competitive multiplayer action, and that’s not a bad thing.” But, when trash talk tips over into hate and harassment, this violates the Xbox Live terms and conditions.

So, without ado, here are some examples of acceptable trash talk under Microsoft’s guidelines:

  • Get destroyed. Can’t believe you thought you were on my level.
  • That was some serious potato aim. Get wrecked.
  • Only reason you went positive was you spent all game camping. Try again, kid.
  • Cheap win. Come at me when you can actually drive without running cars off the road.
  • That sucked. Get good and then come back when your k/d’s over 1.

Those words were written by a real human. My personal favourite is “Try again, kid”, a sure sign that the person saying it is, in fact, a child, or just a weird man with a velcro wallet, a dash cam in their car, and whose favourite things are Fight Club, Jeremy Clarkson, and the armed forces.

And here’s what harassment looks like:

  • Get . Can’t believe you thought you were on my level.
  • Hey , that was some serious potato aim. Get wrecked, trash.
  • Only reason you went positive was you spent all game camping. KYS, kid.
  • Cheap win. Totally expected from a .
  • You suck. Get out of my country—maybe they’ll let you back in when your k/d’s over 1.

It seems reasonable to presume each of those final three statements violates Microsoft’s terms, they’re scummy things to say, although the first two don’t look so bad. Under Microsoft’s terms, it looks like any sort of profanity whatsoever is banned, hence you can’t say ‘Get fucked’ or ‘Hey ballbag’ as they would be in violation of the first two terms. I should imagine there’s plenty of competing opinions that would suggest outright banning profanities is a step too far.

So, and I’m probably going to regret this, let’s open it to the whole GD community. First and foremost, do you think in-game chat should be monitored and appropriate action taken? And if you do, what do you think the limit of acceptability is?

Should hateful gaming trash talk be punished with bans etc?

Do you enjoy trash talk?

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20:30 May-07-2019

Trash talk is part and parcel of using the internet. If you can't handle it - you probably don't belong here xD

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07:30 May-08-2019

Maybe ! But blaming internet for bad behaviour of bad kids/peep isn't solution.

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11:18 May-08-2019

It's an extremely 'small thought' solution but not really a solution at all. It's a level of thinking really not all that far removed from the 'women shouldn't wear short skirts if they don't want to get raped' argument, failing to address the actual negative behaviour in the situation..

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05:57 May-09-2019

People are jerks because its easy imo

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18:35 May-13-2019

i would agree with jon

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07:57 May-15-2019

I'd argue that trash talk online and physical rape and worlds apart, but then again some people still haven't learned the place of words in the whole "sticks and stones" thing, giving them more value than they have.

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09:09 May-15-2019

The actions obviously are worlds apart. As you should probably see in my comment I was talking about the motivations behind the apportioning of blame for these actions is similar in both contexts, not the acts committed themselves. Comprehension . In both instances, it seems pretty wacky to blame the victim rather than the perpetrator.

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10:59 May-06-2019

I'm getting tired of getting called n*** as often as I have, also the fact that you can name weapons in CSGO with slurs with no consequence is sickening. Edge lords who think they're funny, its a side of gaming that needs to GO.

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09:29 May-06-2019

Isulting people as kids is really annoying. In 20+ppl raids with rnd ppl tjere is often chaos like a kindergarten... but its just a bunch of people having more fun than that stressed out jerk.

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15:29 May-06-2019

What game are you refering to?

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10:56 May-08-2019

Mostly WoW, but it is full of toxic depressed people. Guildwars 2 is completly different.

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11:05 May-08-2019

What? You crazy, dude find a guild or find good randoms. Since WoD I've either met people that want to be carried and suck and just leave on a wipe, or very fun social people that i have a blast with and we do the content extremely well even when under geared when it's most fun, then my guild is brutally nice and good and social and talkative and does all the content in the game.
TBC to Cata were the toxic days. MoP was crap so who gives a crap? XD

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06:03 May-09-2019

After throne of thunder my guild broke down. I havent found a guild with people that suit me since then. Wod sucked balls imo but the nice guys i raided with in legion all dropped out and said they continue in bfa (crossrealm group) but they did not sadly. I am actualy pretty good as pala heal, but i only meet jerks somehow.

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17:25 May-11-2019

Well I've switched guilds every expansion due to changing factions and then realms, but every time I've had great guilds with great guildmates and I've 95% of the time either met amazing people or just some puggers that want to be carried and leave the moment you wipe.

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17:26 May-11-2019

WoD was amazing, the quality at least, its only problem was the lack of content and the overusing and overabusing of the garrison. The 3x raids are not only some of the best of all time, but were the first moden raids which increased the quality, complexity and quantity and fun of the raid mechanics and bosses on top of the level design and how much more important it became. WoD with its 3x raids was the pinnacle of quality raiding. It also introduced Mythic dungeons which was what people wanted, it was basically as good as Heroic Cataclysm dungeons and even slightly better due to new and more complex mechanics and were super fun to run, but due to the gearing design since MoP you out geared them very quickly.
The class design was also fixed in WoD from MoP and thus the PVP/E was amazing.

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02:00 May-06-2019

umm its trash talk. TALK. You can ignore it?

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05:53 May-06-2019

yup

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14:47 May-06-2019

Until you are playing COD and the audio comes out over the speaker system as your 10 year old daughters are walking by and some fat 13 year old talks about "pounding your pussy". I ejected the game disk, took it back to the store and will never play another COD like game again, and i enjoy war game as an army veteran. I do not not however enjoy disrespect.

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05:47 May-09-2019

A valid point.

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07:58 May-15-2019

No mute? I always have players on a permanent mute in any online game. I just don't give a crap about in-game comms.

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07:31 May-09-2019

to Jacob. Just kill the enemy and they'll be muted.

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20:07 May-09-2019

Good one


Also fyi, if you were to reply to him he'd get a notification saying how someone replied to him comment.

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22:27 May-09-2019

i couldnt replay to him for that i wrote like this. But he sees that someone posted on this page unless he turned off the notificaitons

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21:31 May-05-2019

I usually just counter salty bois by making Felix Argyle worthy cat noises until they get scared and go away lol.

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15:25 May-05-2019

if it's free to play expect more cancer

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07:00 May-06-2019

PUBG mobile

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10:56 May-05-2019

They are very rare, to be honest. Most of them are nice and can be annoying but not the trash talk.

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10:55 May-05-2019

I want to trash talk only with person who killed me coincidentally and danced off.

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10:54 May-05-2019

Your mother was a hamster and your father smelled like elderberries. Try again kid.

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10:46 May-05-2019

is it that hard to put mute buttons?
then let the trashtalkers talk to themselves lol...

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08:04 May-05-2019

i dont trash talk but i rage talk sometimes in new mp games i play. But the last few years i cant even be salty at mp games anymore.

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08:02 May-05-2019

What a bunch of snowflakes.

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10:59 May-05-2019

Who ? The one who does trash talks ?

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05:55 May-06-2019

The ppl who are affected by it.


I mean, just mute the person who talks **** or just ignore him/her.


Problem solved

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12:33 May-07-2019

Can't say it's ever crossed my mind to victim blame in this situation. f--ked up way of looking at things imo

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05:53 May-09-2019

Not blaming anyone. I just don't understand why ppl take trash talk so seriously.


Words can only hurt you if you give them power.


They are just air vibrations coming from someone and nothing more.

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06:48 May-05-2019

well if theres a mute button then whats the issue

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02:58 May-05-2019

As long as their is a mute/block option, trash talk/ harassment is irrelevant. Don't want to listen to it? Mute it.

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23:59 May-04-2019

If you can mute, either voice or text then anything is fine with me, I'll just mute you. Let people moderate themselves with the press of a button, angry people yelling crazy/creative threats at me online is a fun part of the experience, but some people don't want it. Let both sides have what they want.

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23:21 May-04-2019

Lal. What game did u played? These harrasments are light. Try playing some dota 2 games to see what flamming looks like. Suka blqt. And many more meaningfull wishes from the players..

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22:56 May-04-2019

everybody gangsta until you get called a nerd on roblox


that's where I draw the line

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22:45 May-04-2019

Obviously if it goes too far, sure. Though I do believe it should start with warning ban and not exactly instant permanent ban. Still, those examples... is it just me or they feel very light. I got ton worse. Though I do understand they couldn't exactly publish the worst. Like I wouldn't exactly want ban for those...

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22:50 May-04-2019

... I mean it is just internet being internet. And then again I don't really take them personally anyway, sometimes they are even funny. And if it gets annoying there are plenty of tools to ignore it. So whatever.

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22:17 May-04-2019

I personally don't care as I usually have VOIP disabled if given the option unless its absolutely necessary, although, I do not play any games that require it.


Now, back on my 360 days... It was fun hearing literal kids and even adults rage and I'd just ignore them.

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20:15 May-04-2019

Online games is the best place to let all your hatred and anger go, so it's like an inseparable part of it


I don't care 'bout it until it won't affect my gaming experience

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