Devs are claiming the PlayStation 5 is 'definitely more powerful' than Xbox Scarlett

Written by Stuart Thomas on Mon, Jun 17, 2019 2:13 PM

The Battle of the TFLOPS is about to begin in earnest. Both Sony and Microsoft have their next-generation consoles cresting the horizon, and both will be trying the outmuscle the other in terms of being the fastest console on the market. Right now though, it appears it’s advantage PlayStation 5, with a number of developers alluding to Sony’s console being faster than Xbox Scarlett.

Colin Moriarty, formerly of IGN, claimed in a new episode of his podcast that a number of developers have said the PS5 is "definitively more powerful" than Xbox Scarlett.

This report comes on top of a claim from Game Informer’s Andrew Reiner, who said last week he’d heard the PS5 is being designed to wrestle back the title of the most powerful console from Microsft.

It’s quite easy to get into the mindset that, with both consoles sporting 7nm Navi GPUs and Zen 2 CPUs, both the PS5 and Xbox Scarlett will offer similar performance. Cast your mind back to 2013 though, and the arrival of the 8th gen, and it certainly wasn’t so cut and dried. The Xbox One and PlayStation 4 launched a matter of weeks apart. Both used variations of AMD hardware and yet the PS4 ended up both cheaper and more powerful. A similar story could well play out here, depending on what Microsoft and Sony prioritise for their respective hardware.

Performance isn’t everything, of course, but it certainly helps. Perhaps most important is the relationship between price and performance. A top tier console for a top tier price may struggle (as the PS3 showed), so both Microsoft and Sony are going to be keen to achieve great value. Both consoles could even end up loss leaders, hoping to recoup losses on hardware with ever more diverse subscription options such as Xbox Game Pass and PlayStation Now.

What do you think then, can you see Microsoft ceding the most powerful console to Sony? Or does the Xbox One X indicate Microsoft won’t rest until it’s the performance champ? Let us know your thoughts below!

Which console do you think will be more powerful?

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17:00 Jun-18-2019

at the end of the day it does not matter if one has more horsepower than the other if one has **** exclusives and the other doesn't

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15:22 Jun-19-2019

A valid point.
Tho exclusives are becoming a mote point if you ask me, as in there are less and less of them.

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16:37 Jun-19-2019

And I genuinely hope that is to stay. I prefer to play games on my platform of choice rather than being forced into one.
I know very well why they're a thing but I think it'd be much better if they weren't.

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16:11 Jun-18-2019

"More powerful" is weird to understand when it comes to consoles.

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15:24 Jun-19-2019

Thx for the lolzzz

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12:00 Jun-18-2019

As long as it plays games and does what the box says, then I'm ok with that as I'm not biased. I will play both consoles

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09:28 Jun-18-2019

dont care

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08:26 Jun-18-2019

Anyone else super surprised that they managed to get The Witcher 3 to run on the Switch?

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10:07 Jun-18-2019

I'm yet to see what it looks like tho. They got DOOM to work too...at 480p 30

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10:24 Jun-18-2019

It looks awful xD kinda of like 720p low settings on PC. But it also drops down to 540p or something but atleast they got it work i guess

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12:26 Jun-18-2019

I've played it live and on the small screen of the switch at a normal playing distance it looks normal, it looks like 900p or so on a 27 inch monitor.

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12:39 Jun-18-2019

I'm the guy that shoves AA onto 5K rendering, so I take the "looks normal" with a bucket of salt. Jaggies annoy me :D

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13:39 Jun-18-2019

Well I described normal. 900p on a 27 inch screen and I will add, if you are too close to see the entire screen.

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10:26 Jun-18-2019

Yeah it doesn't exactly look incredible but it's an impressive feat and arguably worthwhile for Witcher 3 on the go. It's obviously going to look much better on other platforms but that's a bit beside the point, the Switch was never meant to be a powerhouse.

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12:48 Jun-18-2019

True, it must be taken for what it is. I like W3 very much, so I've tried a few methods of playing it (streaming, controller, baller PC, etc) and I found that for me the best experience is on PC with a mouse and keyboard. It's a cool feat, but it's probably more suited for those who don't mind a degraded experience (performance/controls).

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13:53 Jun-18-2019

My only problem with the switch are the joycons' analog sticks, they... how should I put it... suck big balls... That's why I want a revised switch before I buy it myself, for that and for a bigger battery life, 2 hours is NOT optimal at all when I travel 2-3x times a week for 3-4x hours every time.

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14:18 Jun-18-2019

I'm alright with the analogue sticks but not the d-pad, or their weird version of a d-pad. I could always rely on Nintendo for a solid d-pad but not any more.


And the switch will last 3 to 4 hours fine?

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14:54 Jun-18-2019

Yeah the lack of a conventional dpad is pretty dog


I buckled and ordered a shell replacement with a dpad a few days ago, ready for Mario Maker 2, since it'd be far cheaper than buying a Super Nintendo controller.

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15:00 Jun-18-2019

Oh noooooo, I didn't even think of having to play Mario Maker 2 with it. I somehow managed to get through Celeste but it felt like those directional buttons were punishing me.


Can you let me know how it is? I may get one

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16:07 Jun-18-2019

@Jon depends on the game, but my friend says it's always a little over 2 hours and I did see it for myself, i DS remastered it lasted a little over 2 hours before droping to 7-8%.

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16:33 Jun-18-2019

Yeah you're probably right. I don't play many graphically intense games on tbh, as I'd rather play them on something else. Get my switch out for the smaller games and a few Nintendo exclusives.

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09:54 Jun-19-2019

I too want to wait for a Switch upgrade before considering buying one. I will 100% agree that the d-pad and the analogues suck rear - 2 of my friends actually had analogue problems, like drifting and outright breaking. Sad.
Plus the Shield TV runs at 2x the GPU clock on the same GPU/SoC, so there is room for improvement for sure, especially considering the extra performance you get on the Switch by OC'ing already.

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05:55 Jun-18-2019

didnt this happened last time

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02:51 Jun-18-2019

Where's the i don't care button

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08:23 Jun-18-2019

Comedy gold man. Kudos

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17:02 Jun-18-2019

Why does this feel brutally sarcastic

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15:32 Jun-19-2019

I'm dead serious. Made me laugh quite a bit.

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00:45 Jun-18-2019

This doesnt look like legend of dragoon!!!!!!

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02:05 Jun-18-2019

Its also more powerful than the ps5!!!!!!

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21:44 Jun-17-2019

Ugh! I hate topics like this. The whole console war arguments are so stupid imo. Most 3rd party games look and run pretty much the same on both consoles. As others are saying, this is basically just a pointless measuring contest. Plus MS is not into the console market exclusively anymore. So I think MS will focus more on their games this time around and putting them on multiple devices, and just let sony have the "powerful" console instead. To me, as long as it has nice features and is accessible, then idc if one is more powerful than the other.

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21:28 Jun-17-2019

Let me translate : "My dick is bigger than yours"

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01:32 Jun-18-2019

No, it's not...

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20:53 Jun-17-2019

This is just more or less size measurement argument, but the real question is, will it matter? And I don't think so, might if you are planning on jumping on 8k as soon as possible and even that will highly likely be upsacaled for both. I would really be surprised if any of the two is a lot more powerful than other, especially when you look at playing and enjoying games, opposed to benchmarks.

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20:56 Jun-17-2019

Though if I would have to take a guess, I would say Sony probably is one more concerned about having strong console to properly last a generation and not having to release mid-generational upgrade, like PS4 Pro. While MS is more concerned about making Xbox ecosystem, meaning games coming to PC, game pass being also on Switch,.. you know, giving choices to gamers.

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19:38 Jun-17-2019

You know why it's called Xbox Scarlett? Because you turn Scarlett degrees and walk away.

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19:32 Jun-17-2019

Even if so, that doesn't change much. People will still chose one over another by taste, looks, price, functionality any many other things. Oh and don't forget about fanboys :)

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19:14 Jun-17-2019

Wouldn't third party games be optimised to run on the slightly weaker of the two anyway? The only difference you might see is in first party exclusives and that probably wouldn't be until at least five years into the life cycle of the new console when developers have improved optimising for them.

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18:10 Jun-17-2019

As you said in the article, all this is kinda uninteresting until we know more about the pricing.
If Sony charges significantly more, this could backfire pretty hard since I'm sure a good chunk of potential customers don't really care about the underlying performance.
As a PC gamer I just hope they can squeeze a lot of performance out of the new consoles, a big leap in console hardware also means a big increase in good looking software. ;)

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17:34 Jun-17-2019

Now how abt we try and stop a potential console war from breaking out here ?
Its 2019. we all love games and r free to play it on whichever console we wish to play on depending on the exclusives. tht's wht gaming should be all abt and not some petty war. Both consoles will end up with great specs and will have one or two advantages over the other obviously :)

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17:47 Jun-17-2019

Those petty wars are perpetuated by petty people, and there's no stopping them.
Also it's still something Microsoft and Sony want, after all it's free publicity, especially for the "better" one.

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18:21 Jun-17-2019

I feel it might be the console devs themselves tht propagate the war in disguise as us normal people. I know it sounds far fetched, but hey its a marketing push and PR, so anything to set the blaze for an all out war for this generation works for them :P
Recently MS signed a deal with Sony for some cloud gaming related stuff, so maybe once enough ppl see this deal come to fruition, the war might finally end.

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17:18 Jun-17-2019

More powerful doesn't mean much, especially if it's only 10-20% more powerful.
Also price is a big factor for consoles so we'll have to wait and see.

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18:12 Jun-17-2019

"Merry christmas Billy! We chose the PS5 over the Xbox because it costs more, but has faster hardware!"
Said no parents ever.. in my eyes the price is the most important factor for the average customer.

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18:35 Jun-17-2019

Absolutely correct, price and exclusives first, online services and app support second and that's it.

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15:31 Jun-17-2019

There's a variable, while tangent to the conversation, that is quite important: Xbox first party games will all be playable natively on PC (for the Tflop crowd). Most people, most gamers even, don't know or care what a TFlop is so Xbox's aim should be to create the best VALUE console, and launch it with incredible first party titles. Xbox is on top atm, this gen war is theirs to lose.

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15:39 Jun-17-2019

Hmm interesting way to look at it. I wonder how their transition will work as well, whether they have exclusives to push the new console or if they're happy to have cross-gen first-party games.

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05:01 Jun-20-2019

Think about it this way, if you want to play with your friends on PC (Play Anywhere is all crossplay) and can't afford a 1000$ + gaming rig... you get an Xbox. Period. So the real challenge for Xbox is not the hardware imo, but to have the best launch line-up so PC players will flock to Game Pass and the console players/developers will go where the games/players are. Simple yet brilliant.

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15:27 Jun-17-2019

Does is f*cking matter? If consoles can play finally at 1080p @60fps then I couldn't give a damn about anything else. At the end it doesn't matter how powerful your system is if you don't have stuff to do with it, so focus on games first and specs later.

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15:39 Jun-17-2019

I don't think Microsoft's system architects are also working on game dev, they're going to have people focusing on both independently.

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17:24 Jun-17-2019

Know what Jon? I didn't know about that. Though they were all just a blob of humans working interchangeably together on everything.
Jokes aside, I think you know what I meant.
Promises of 120fps games, 8K visuals and else are kinda diminished with even todays most powerful consoles being unable of pulling 60fps consecutively, and even if they do offer the marketed material it's worthless without good games to play on it.

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17:44 Jun-17-2019

the 8K at 120fps support is not for games, just most likely the bandwidth of the HDMI port and ability of the GPUs to output such video. Nothing to do with performance, merely bandwidth. Probably HDMI 3.0 or HDMI 2.2 or whatever they call next gen HDMI, currently HDMI 2.1 has a bandwidth of 48Gbps and can do 8k 60fps, probably next gen will double the bandwidth.

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17:50 Jun-17-2019

I know it's not for games, but I'm not the one this console is marketed to.
It doesn't help that they're marketing 120fps, 8K and other extravagant features as something these consoles are going to run their games with.

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17:53 Jun-17-2019

Meh all I want is 720p 30fps or higher and I'm happy.

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09:06 Jun-18-2019

That's just what you implied!


Microsoft very obviously has a big focus on games right now, it's bought or established about a dozen studios in the last couple of years.

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12:29 Jun-18-2019

Yeah, I'm very hyped about them, but I hope they bring some singleplayer focused games, because usually they only bring match based or multiplayer games to their platform and Halo hasn't been at all about singleplayer since 4... I want them to have a God of War equivalent, a Horizon Zero Dawn equivalent, a Uncharted equivalent in quality.

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15:12 Jun-17-2019

If this were the early 2000s it would probably be quite different since back then, im guessing, they made their chips themselves. Now the job's been left to AMD. As far as i remember Sony was funding AMD pretty hard for the new console quite awhile back. The only other difference is the Microsoft is an American company, while Sony is a Japanese one, my point being there will definetly be more differences in the way they do things, instead of the things they use . . . probably.

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