Up For Debate - What gaming PC hardware is causing your bottleneck?

Written by Felix Nova on Mon, Jul 29, 2019 5:17 PM

At some point, every gamer wonders about how optimised their PC hardware configuration is. About where their performance bottleneck is. You have a bundle of PC components all singing along nicely, but somewhere in every system there lies a specific point of slow down. That weak-point where more performance power is happening on one side and all that potential performance is not carried through due to encountering weaker components within the PC?

Perhaps its the graphics card or my 4 year old processor? Maybe its the power supply unit not releasing enough juice to my CPU? Or maybe its system memory or even the  motherboard.

Obviously the answer can change on a case by case, depending on what you want to use your PC for. For example, your performance bottleneck could be the CPU if you are hoping to increase the speed of turns being processed during a game like Total War 3 Kingdoms. Or maybe a future concern is that there isnt enough graphics card VRAM to power all the graphical fidelity in a game like, Cyberpunk 2077.

The key hardware components that can be responsible for computer system bottlenecks are normally the CPU, GPU or RAM. But you could also find that your system is actually being held back by one of the lesser regarded components, like the motherboard, PSU, hard drive or even RAM type. But these are harder to diagnose as the performance dampening culprits and normally if one of these are your problem then your system is pretty well optimised already. But one of the experts around GD might be able to suggest ways to tweak for better performance again. But, as always it really depends on what you want your PC to be good at. Gaming, video editing, audio processing, game development, these are a couple of ways we specialise our PCs, but perhaps you are still thinking of coin mining or just hoping to find a bargain when looking to get the best PC for some good old fashioned word processing and web browsing?

As there are so many variations and possibilities for bottlenecks in todays gaming and hardware, I wanted to put this article together so we have a place where fellow Game-Debaters can come and share tech knowledge. To help one another out around what can be quite a comprehensive question and answer. Somewhere for us to be able to post up system specs, and ask our community if we think the particular modern PC hardware setup would be good for a particular task or if there is an obvious weak point that could cause the PC bottleneck.

So in the comments post up a spec and try to follow the following format and then other GD'ers can head along and share their thoughts on the set up. Here is an example of how the spec should look.

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PC Purpose:  Total War: 3 Kingdoms 1440p Ultra

CPU: Intel i5 2500K

GPU: GTX 1060

RAM: 8GB

Budget: $200

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You can add as many system components as you wish, just try and keep it succinct. For example, you could put in MOBO, for motherboard, HD for Hard Drive, PSU for Power Supply Unit. You can also add much more data as well for each component to give people even more insight into your situation.

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PC Purpose: What's the bottleneck and what could I do to improve when running Total War 3 Kingdoms on Ultra @1440p, with in battle unit numbers at max plus improving the end campaign turn speed.

CPU: Intel i5 2500K

GPU: GTX 1060 3GB VRAM

RAM: 1x8GB 1666MHz DDR3 CL10

MOBO: Aorus Z370 Gaming 3 Motherboard

Budget: £300

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Heres a blank one to copy and paste in the comments below

PC Purpose:

CPU: 

GPU: 

RAM: 

Budget: 

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If this article captures our collective interest then I will elevate it further across the site. Perhaps someone is looking for a new build and they want to post up their PC upgrade suggestion and be advised where the bottleneck might be. Or maybe a hardware suggestion upgrade that would remove the bottleneck, or maybe they are looking for a powerhouse PC for video editing and are not sure which components make the most difference, or perhaps you are just looking for a single GPU upgrade suggestion for your current setup and want to avoid any system performance wastage.

Once someone has posted up their bottleneck enquiry I invite everyone to the comments section to help each other out with suggested bottlenecks, solutions, upgrades, links to stores or even somewhere that there is background reading about a particular tech issue their rig could encounter.

What causes the most gaming PC bottlenecks?

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11:31 Aug-05-2019

My GPU currently. Because I own 1080p monitor then buy this GPU, but then I decide to buy 4K monitor. I will upgrade on the next gen maybe.

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17:29 Aug-04-2019

One thing people tend to overlook is memory size and speed. Anything below 16GB causes severe stutter and anything under 2666mhz makes for choppy gameplay

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22:05 Aug-08-2019

not even close.

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23:13 Aug-08-2019

Yup, 8GB is enough, but just barely, and memory speed barely matters, even for Zen CPUs as long as it's 2400Mhz or above.

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14:30 Aug-09-2019

hmm let's not forget the RAM frequency itself is not so important spec, it needs to be taken into account together with CAS latency (CL) - the lower means faster ;)

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22:49 Aug-03-2019

CPU on this system. Its freaking me out in open world games.

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17:50 Aug-03-2019

I have gtx 940mx on my laptop with 4 gb ram and i5 7200u. I believe cpu is the first thing causing bottleneck. because i cant play thins game even on low settongs because of huge map and 64 players

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12:19 Aug-03-2019

The biggest bottleneck in my system is my bank account & the lack of money in it.

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03:09 Aug-01-2019

PC Purpose: Lasting the entire 9th generation (PS5) of consoles and gaming at 1080p 60fps.


CPU: Ryzen 5 3600(X)


GPU: RTX 2070 Super


RAM: 16GB DDR4 3000MHz


Budget: Around a $1000

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10:50 Aug-01-2019

Well that's not a 1000$ PC, unless you cheap out on the psu, case, motherboard, ssd and hdd.


Also you want a stronger cpu and gpu than the consoles, because they get much better optimization than PC does.

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10:52 Aug-01-2019

Actually scratch that just the 2070 super, r5 3600 and the ram are 800-900$.

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12:15 Aug-01-2019

just look for a b350 mobo that supports zen 2 and bios update without the cpu, you could do that budget, look for a ok aftermarket gpu and a bronze psu

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14:26 Aug-01-2019

He'll still need at least 1200$

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14:52 Aug-01-2019

in eu you can get a 2070 super for 550 eur, 200 for the cpu and 75 for ram. my quick maths at 825...175 for a case,psu,mobo is thight but doable.

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15:33 Aug-01-2019

The CPU is 210-220 euro, 3000Mhz RAM is 80 euro, the rtx 2070 super is indeed 550 euro, according to Amazon.de(or any other european Amazon). That's 850 euro, a good 600W PSU is 35-40 euro, a good enough case is 35-40 euro, a good b450 is 100 euro(example B450 Tomahawk or B450 Aurous or B450 K1), HDD is 35 euro(1TB), SSD is 40-45 euro(256GB MLC), that's a total of 1110 euro, assuming he is even in europe and we are still missing shipping from the equation.

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21:22 Aug-01-2019

you can easily get away with a b350 any cheap board will do even a a320 chipset(slight performance drop off)

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21:37 Aug-01-2019

It's about quality and not performance and a320's support even for Ryzen 2000 is dodgy at best, let alone Ryzen 3000.

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19:44 Jul-31-2019

reckon my cpu is still good to go for the foreseeable future ?, starting to get the itch to upgrade after 3 years but id have to upgrade ram and motherboard on top which is annoying for the new sockets but any opinions?

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05:12 Aug-19-2019

good thing is you have K series cpu, when you have a budget for upgrade, my suggestion is just squeeze all the juice in your cpu until it break then upgrade

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07:46 Jul-31-2019

My GPUs, believe it or not. At least for the experience I wish for.

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11:43 Jul-31-2019

please do tell me about all of the four games that support sli...

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14:08 Jul-31-2019

much?

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12:22 Jul-31-2019

You have a better machine and a better gaming experience than 99% of the people owning a PC, let alone those who only game on console. What more could you really need?

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13:06 Jul-31-2019

But he said Want(Wish), not Need. I think he wanted 5k maxed out with high FPS gaming and yes the lack of SLI support cucks him in video games, but he uses them for work too if I'm not mistaken.

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14:12 Jul-31-2019

Psycho is bang on the money.
Supersampling is superior to any other form of antialiasing, so I always prefer the raw resolution bump (with FXAA or TAA/TXAA on top). So yes, that would be 5K, which looks great on my 1440p screen (4 pixels downsampled to 1 for perfection). But I also have a 165Hz display - high framerates are also preferred. A mix of both is ideal, but mostly only possible in older titles and SLI titles. SLI support is...varying... Which is a shame, considering SLI got a giant boost in scaling due to NVLink taking over at 25-50x the bandwidth - I certainly noticed a difference there.

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14:16 Jul-31-2019

And yeah, I work too. CUDA compute FTW. At some point I used to have 4 GPUs for that, but 2x 2080Tis render at the speed of -5x 1080Tis, so...

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03:05 Aug-01-2019

Dude can you give an example of the work you do? If it's confidential or something then don't obviously but damn that rig is crazy!

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19:55 Aug-01-2019

3D Archviz work, photogrammetry, fine art, photography and photo editing/manipulation, some video work, graphic design. Basically "pretty images" is my bread and butter :)

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17:58 Aug-05-2019

that said, I guess I'll wait for a gpu which will be able to handle 6880x2880 (UW-5K) then

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11:47 Aug-21-2019

Gonna be a few years for sure, if you want anything more than desktop and old games running at that :D

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17:14 Jul-30-2019

Hi,
If I upgrade my GPU to a GTX 1060 6GB card with my current spec, can I run most games in full HD? I'm mostly interested in The Witcher 3 and Dark Souls 3.

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17:41 Jul-30-2019

The CPU will bottleneck a lot if you upgrade to that

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18:02 Jul-30-2019

And still he'll be getting much better performance and play games previously unplayable at all due to his current GPU.

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19:12 Jul-30-2019

That's extremely debatable. Some games, yes. Newer games though, the system will struggle a lot. They might be playable but they still might be "unplayable".

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19:25 Jul-30-2019

I've played dark souls 1 at 15-20fps and I did extremely well, so I don't see how 25-40fps would be a problem.

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19:30 Jul-30-2019

Alright. Cool. Anyone on PC ran DS1 like trash, it was an absurdly horrendous port. That's besides the point though. Why would he spend possibly 300$ on a GPU he won't be able to use half of?

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19:37 Jul-30-2019

I never ran it like trash on my PC, it was on my laptop, where most games just refuse to use my dedicated GPU... so intel HD it is...

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18:03 Jul-30-2019

You'll run Dark souls 3 and Witcher 3 at 25-40fps and in less CPU intensive scenarios even higher, but for the main gameplay 25-40fps

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18:12 Jul-30-2019

Only 25-40 fps? So it's not really worth to upgrade my GPU if I don't upgrade my CPU as well, just for those two games?

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18:17 Jul-30-2019

Yeah the core2quad is gonna bottleneck can you overclock them? That should help 2.4Ghz is pretty low nowadays but i remember OC the core2duo's and in some situations you could gain massive performance i'm not sure how core2quads hold up nowadays though without an OC. Looking at yt at 720p you would get 25-50Fps

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18:21 Jul-30-2019

I will check if I can OC, but how much can that help?

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18:54 Jul-30-2019

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJW-KlYQ_pI&ab_channel=lmcgregoruk this tells that your CPU is bottleneck. GPU usage 50% maximum. FPS 30-40 gta v

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19:14 Jul-30-2019

Overclocking that chip won't benefit you much. The best case would be to buy a new system. You will be able to play those games though, but a huge portion of your GPU will be unusable in any CPU bound scenarios, and that CPU will hit a lot of them in latest titles.

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19:26 Jul-30-2019

Probably what the emperor said is true i don't think core2quads benefitted much from OC it will still bottleneck a lot for example the video i looked at Ryzen 7 2700x was getting 120+FPS while the quadcore was 25 fps avg. So a Ryzen 3600 system with 3200mhz cl16,cheap b450 motherboard would be a huge upgrade for you

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19:33 Jul-30-2019

Buying a new GPU now and the rest of the system later could be a good starting point. You will definitely reap some benefits from it at least. But for the best experience you shouldn't wait to much on upgrading the rest of the system too.

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19:43 Jul-30-2019

Ok, I'll try this GPU upgrade for now, and see if I like. Thank you all, you helped a lot!

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19:58 Jul-30-2019

Also 450W psu will be enough?

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20:03 Jul-30-2019

Which one if we are talking about a high quality one like seasonic then yes or a cheap corsair one then no. Do you know the name of the brand and the name of the PSU model? I would recommend you seasonic s12II evo 450W (non modular 45$) or seasonic focus plus 450w (modular 65$) both high quality well reviewed PSU's.

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20:21 Jul-30-2019

I'd personal feel the safest with a 550W PSU rated 80+. PSU is definitely not something you should cheap out on, so definitely check some reviews when deciding which one to buy.

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20:38 Jul-30-2019

That's true the 550W+ units usually have better components since 450W are really "budget" PSU's depending on who makes the PSU's usually either Seasonic or Super flower (EVGA OEM) or CTW (cheap corsair units) you might get a bad one. I would only pick between seasonic or super flower units personally they're the best.

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20:43 Jul-30-2019

Alright, I will check thanks, but if I have to buy a new psu as well, then I think I'll pass this upgrade and wait to buy a new computer.

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21:08 Jul-30-2019

Check which one you already have although unless you can squeeze in the seasonic 450 unit i mentioned at 45$ (if the price is similar to where you are at and if it's avalaible) i wouldn't buy a different one as their all more expensive and unreliable. But if you can't than rather wait and get a more W one later.

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06:41 Jul-31-2019

I hope you guys realize that you want this guy to buy a 1060 on a 775 Socket Intel motherboard(who knows how old) and a 450w unknown retailer PSU in order for him to play games better instead of buying a full second hand upgrade of the system which he can really upgrade in the future.
Throwing a GPU from 2016 in a 2007 pc will not do good for you. You may want to buy a fire estinguisher and put it near just in case.

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07:36 Jul-31-2019

lol

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12:41 Jul-31-2019

I feel like I was fairly clear when I said that the best thing to do would be a completely new system, and I think majority of people recommended that too.

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15:53 Jul-31-2019

Same as me i never told him buying the GPU was a good idea and since he never specified what 450W he has it's probably a 450W CTW unit which are crap. It's a bad idea with a PSU change it's fine but he will still be bottlenecked a used q9000 series is already much better than a q6000 chips. But a new system is still

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07:46 Aug-03-2019

i have this psu: Thermaltake TR2 QFan 450W

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06:38 Jul-31-2019

I GUESS YALL ACTUALLY DEBATED ABOUT THAT

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12:21 Jul-31-2019

The CPU will bottleneck in some instances. I've ran a Q6600 before with a hd 7750 and the CPU was bottlenecking it even when overclokced. I highly recommend you run the FSB at 400Mhz and drop the multiplier to 8x so it runs at 3GHz

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12:24 Jul-31-2019

Higher clockspeed will depend on your cooler. Also look for some option on the bios about "Transaction Booster" or similar, ill will decrease RAM latency. Also, if your mobo supports it, i recommend looking for a Q9000 series CPU for cheap

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12:26 Jul-31-2019

It gave me a great performance boost (from 40fps on the Q6600 at 3GHz to 60fps on the Q9550 at 3.2GHz in BF1)

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00:00 Aug-05-2019

Actually that PSU from thermaltake looks fine atleast on paper. It can handle a 1060 easily but i dont know who makes it and info on it is hard to find apperently thermaltake makes some good higher "quality" PSU (more expensive W ones) but for their low end it's a bit of a hit and miss but its a modern one so it has

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00:03 Aug-05-2019

protection built it i wouldnt worry about it too much the PSU looks fine no need to buy the seasonic one. if you can get a 2nd hand q9000 would be good or just wait for a full system upgrade but i dont think youll have issues with the 1060 with 450w that cards pulls very little.

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16:39 Jul-30-2019

It tends to flip flop because I'm always upgrading one piece at a time.

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18:54 Jul-30-2019

lol

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10:03 Aug-05-2019

If you two swap either gpus or cpus, one of you will end up with a great pc xd

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17:56 Aug-05-2019

HA

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13:30 Jul-30-2019

Depends the game. At the moment i play a lot AC odessey and i am 50/50 most times gpu but i see a lot of 100% cpu usage a lot. So both cpu n gpu

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12:47 Jul-30-2019

The GPU is my bottleneck.

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11:59 Jul-30-2019

I haven't noticed any bottleneck with my rig:

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09:52 Jul-30-2019

for the games im playing neither my cpu or gpu nor rap. The only thing pushing me back is my HDD for the long loading times haha

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08:58 Jul-30-2019

It's the GPU for me personally.
My A8-7100 can push more than enough data but the R7 M265 just isn't up to the task sadly.

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09:48 Jul-30-2019

From what I see from your specs right now, your i5-6500 is causing a small but noticeable bottleneck.

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10:42 Jul-30-2019

That's my friends rig, I don't own it or use it.
I only build it.
Also he sort of lost interest in games so I doubt he'd notice the difference.
And from what I recall his monitor is only 60Hz so an upgrade is not worth it.

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18:57 Jul-30-2019

You say m265? Those mobility Radeon dGPUs are nothing except just openCL accelerators. Most of them are bottlenecked by the meagre bandwidth of ddr3 vram buffer.

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07:18 Jul-30-2019

i had a Phenom965 with a GTX1080 division at 1080p low everything then i got a Ryzen1700 and went to EVERYTHING MAXED OUT holy **** that was a major game changer for me went on a replay every old game spree then buy alot of games spree

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06:41 Jul-31-2019

A PHENOM IS EQUILVALENT TO A MODERN DAY CELERON, BUT WAS A BEAST IN ITS DAY AGAINST QUADS & FIRST GEN I CPUS

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07:54 Jul-31-2019

Aye but man did it last along time. heck i was forced to retire the damn old fighter. hope the Ryzen gives me the same milage but i think Gen3 is going to completely outclass me and rumors of gen4?? 4 thread per core hot damn!!

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07:10 Jul-30-2019

I just solved the bottlenck 2 days ago by buying this CPU. My old i5-4460 was struggling in Battlefield V paired with the 1060.

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18:55 Jul-30-2019

That's perfect pair

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02:02 Jul-30-2019

PC Purpose: 1440p gaming
CPU: Intel i5-4690K 4.2Ghz
GPU: EVGA 1080ti 11GB
RAM: 24GB DDR3-1666Mhz
Budget: $3500
Six year old z97 motherboard may be showing its age. Upgraded to a nice Dell 1440p 144mhz G-Sync monitor in June to go along with the 1080ti when my 770ti died on me. Luckily my toy fund builds up pretty well over six years of saving. Doing research for December upgrade.

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04:01 Jul-30-2019

Just letting you know as a heads up i managed to see a 20%-30% uplift in games with my current processor over my 4690k at 4.4ghz then again it's 1080p but still

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10:16 Jul-30-2019

3600 is fking awesome processor

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13:26 Jul-30-2019

Planning on an upgrade to the 3600 as well. My biggest issue is my HDD load times though (Warhammer 2) so I'm grabbing an 860 EVO 1TB to go with it.

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09:10 Jul-30-2019

if you want a platform upgrade go ryzen if not go 4rd gen i7(k) and oc

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18:56 Jul-30-2019

3th

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00:20 Jul-30-2019

PC Purpose: 1440 gaming


CPU: Ryzen 5 3600


GPU: RTX 2080


RAM: 2x8 DDR4 (it was 3000MHz with Ryzen 1600X, but now it's stable only at 2666)


Budget: £200


I know that i need higher resolution monitor, i have 1920x1080 now but i'm out of ideas which one to buy. Cheap but good and not smaller than 27".

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00:40 Jul-30-2019

go 100£ higher and buy a 1440p 144hz monitor

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22:10 Jul-29-2019

My Ryzen 3 is causing bottlenecks on open world games and my low native resolution is also responsible.
Maybe a Ryzen 5 2600 could be the best option right now ( 100€ cheaper than 3600 in my country )
Also a 1440p could be really great

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22:14 Jul-29-2019

you could future proof with a 1440p 27' 144hz freesync monitor -330€

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