When we recently discussed what your price limit is on a new PC build, the majority of us said around $1000-1500. Of course a number of GD’ers said they would go above that, with a reasonable quantity of us saying $2000. But even more expressed that they would actually spend below $1K on a new gaming PC build.
Now I wanted to take a look at the cost of gaming laptops and to gauge what we all think about their place in our lives. Gaming laptops are often double the price of a desktop PC when considering like-for-like hardware specs, but they do enable us the luxury of mobile gaming, or gaming on the go if we want to separate it from phones. Perhaps you regularly commute on a train or like to game in different rooms of the house, or maybe you travel a lot or don't have any space for a larger desktop machine. If so, then a gaming laptop can mean the difference between being able to play your favourite games or, well, not.
But still, they can be fairly bulky to carry about, especially if you want a reasonably sized screen on your laptop. But whatever your reason, it will almost always come down to the price we have to pay for the laptop and I am sure the majority of us can not help but then look at the lower price we would be paying for the desktop equivalent. A typical gaming laptop with a GeForce RTX 2060 with 16GB RAM and a decent CPU goes for around £1500 here in the UK, while you build a similar spec desktop for well under £1000.
A few things to consider when buying a new gaming laptop - screen resolution vs screen speed, the type of screen you are getting, battery life, type and storage capacity of laptop hard drive, the processor being a weaker equivalent of the desktop version, whether the graphics card is upgrade-able or fixed, whether there are battery extenders, what keyboard quality does it have, can you expand the system memory.
But above all of this, you want to choose carefully so you maximise your spend on the best possible GPU you can afford, so that the laptop's lifespan is maximised. But then, the faster your GPU, the hotter it will run and the hotter every component gets inside your laptop. And heat is probably one of the biggest killers for laptops. Plus you might want to put it on your lap at some point, right?
And around we go. It's definitely not an easy decision and I think we all need compelling reasons to spend almost twice the cost on a mobile machine. Now of course the cool thing is that we have a choice. And people must like them otherwise there wouldn't be such a strong market for them, even though they cost so much more than the same desktop specs.
What do you think then, are gaming laptops worth the extra cost? Are you a pure laptop gamer or only game on desktop, or perhaps you splash the cash and game on both laptop and desktop? Let us know below!
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I use my laptop for work and gaming. Travelling with an Air 540 is a no go. Usually I build a small stand for the laptop when get to my destination so I travel with less. Then I coordinate with my home station desktop. On my second gaming laptop. I enjoy them. Would a non gaming laptop with the same hardware be as good? Not at all. That thing would throttle so much it will be useless. That's not counting that I haven't found a non gaming laptop that has a 1070 in it.
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im not sure id ever dole out enough cash for a gaming laptop, im never away from home for long periods of time. The only portable gaming solutions I have are my ps vita and Nintendo switch
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Sometimes desktop isn't an option!
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It really does depend on what else you'll be doing on it, if you're just gaming then you're better off just getting a desktop but if you're someone who has to move around a lot or a student or something then a laptop would be very beneficial.
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my laptop is beast look at those specs
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Gaming on laptops is not feasable to me. Saying gaming on the move on laptop when they only have battery of around 2 hours then you are again connected with a wire. Also I have seen that when gaming on battery vs gaming plugged in there is a huge difference in performance.
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think of it as a portable desktop.
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Yes. This isnt a switch, its like a playstation/xbox with a monitor and kb&m!
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So why not just build a desktop with size in mind? That's what I'm considering doing for my next PC.
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Monitor and kb&m :)
Unless you plan to have a TV/monitor in every place you plan to game on.. and lug a kb&m along with you (granted you can buy those wireless mini ones that are pretty portable, but still)
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It's not unreasonable if the portability you are going for is portability within your house for example.. I've done this before, switching between gaming on a monitor and couch gaming with a mid size desktop case.. it's definitely doable.. portability on a budget.. you just need a monitor/tv and a wireless kb&m in every room you want to game on
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theres always been a price on portability, as i also use my laptop for work (3d designing and on the road) laptop was a no brainier, and i usually pretty cheap on computer components, but considering digital life revovles around my laptop (3k) for a durable,future proof, realiable. 3k$ isnt too bad
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Have been a laptop gamer for 6+ years now & will be for at least 2-3 years more till I get settled in one place. Most college students & fresh grads are better off having a gaming laptop. 1660Ti laptops at $1200 are a great value.
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i bought my first gaming laptop in 2016 with a GTX 1070. No regrets, it's a beast still. You can also just hook it up to another display too - which is nice. I have a desktop now, but the laptop hardly sweats when i need it. I was kinda lucky that i missed the awkward transition before the 10 series gpus tho
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You are definitely good for another 2 years. 2016-17 had powerful laptops, newer ones just got slimmer, lighter & a 144Hz display, at least at lower price.
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"Most college students & fresh grads are better off having a gaming laptop."
Why? In college the main thing you need out of a computer is battery life and that's the one thing gaming laptops will never provide. If you're a gamer and a student I think it makes way more sense to build a desktop and buy a Chromebook.
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Most gaming laptops provide a 3hr battery life. My old laptop had a 4-5 hr battery life & that was enough for me, even 3 hr of my current laptop is sufficient. I'm fine carrying around a power brick. You can get 6hr, if you can afford those
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A 3 hour battery brand new battery life under combined gaming and university workload is going to be unusably bad in like two years. If you get a computer with like 8-10 hours of battery life, though, it'll be portable until it's prohibitively slow.
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It's like asking if powerful phones are worth the extra cost. You want the power in a small form factor - you gotta pony up the cash. Now whether or not powerful phones make sense to some - that's a different question, of course, but you get what I mean.
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Used to game on a Lenovo y580 back in the day (circa 2013). Buck for bang, it was a damn good deal. i7 could turbo boost to 3.3 Ghz/ GTX 660m 2GB / GB RAM. With a 1 TB HDD it was well worth 900$. Its now a media center for my room (got a projector hooked up) and coupled with an SSD its running strong. Can stream games to it flawlessly from my rig using Steam when hardwired. 10/10 would buy again.
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I mostly game on desktop, I got Switch for portable gaming. Generally I currently have no use for laptop, so I don't have one. But if I did, I would be willing to pay bit more than for desktop, since it is all in one package. Though I would probably prioritize more on battery life than gaming on laptop. Even with weaker GPU, there are ton of old classics and indie games to play on weaker GPU.
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The Strix Scar II was like $1,900 vs the 1,700-ish on the desktop, but at least I can game anywhere now, virtually, while the desktop waits at home.
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The premium is not nearly as much when you add the cost of paraphernalia (specially the monitor). Still hefty, but reasonable if you want portability and would rather not build your own rig. Imo the biggest downside is not the upfront cost but the lack of upgradability. You replace everything when you want better performance.
In my case, I like portability but also like to build, so desktop for m
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On a side note, if you are the type who cant resist upgrading your rig, then a laptop might actually save you money :p
But where is the fun in that..
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Have recently been fascinated by itx cases(like ncase m1). 12.6L case that supports a full size gpu and a 240mm aio. Love the idea of it but damn itx tax is real :/
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Save your money and get a Cougar QBX. Much better space management, it's slightly bigger on each of the dimensions, but 50% bigger(19.6L) on the inside and only 50$.
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but you cant deny the looks of the ncase m1 might grab it for my next build 2 years from now :P
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Me and hardware looks don't mix, they are all the same to me. As long as there is no glass and practical it's all good.
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I agree. When I was looking for my pc case back in 2015, many cases were just so ugly. The M1 really caught my eye, but the price was a turn off. Eventually I had to choose between the NZXT H440 and the BeQuiet Silent Base 800. I chose the BeQuiet, but if I could redo my choice, I would've taken the H440 (or even better, as they were released later on, the S340).
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There's also stuff like GHOST S1 MkII although that thing reminds me of the Imac "cheese grater" look Dx. I like the idea of ITX but you will always have to deal with the cooling and sometimes it limits how large a GPU goes in but i cant deny the small space and look that they bring over M Tower or B Towers.
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With phones and tablets getting better and better every year I feel like laptops are slowly being replaced. Phones today are extremely powerful and tablets even more so, and I think they should already be dominating if you're working on the go. The only problem is that their OS is not as feature rich as a Desktop one, which is a software issue that should be much simpler to address in my opinion.
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I believe that laptops are going to become a niche item in the next decade or so with phones and tablets taking over their place, while a desktop PC remains something for a more serious work.
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My problem with tablets for work is the touch screen, typing on a touchscreen or a flat laptop keyboard for that matter is agony to me.
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That's not a major issue as you can, if you want to, bring your own keyboard and a mouse if needed. I believe flat keyboards are going to improve a lot in the future and a smaller more portable mouse could be made.
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That's what I do. At home if I have to use a laptop I literally hook a mouse and keyboard to it and hook it to a monitor or TV...
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And thats the kind of thinking has brought about google stadia. Some executive screaming in a boardroom "Phones are the future of gaming!"
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Ewww Stadia... Phones might become the future of gaming if mobile games seize to exist and are replaced with desktop-like games, which have their own business model problems too, but still.
I mean the Switch can run the witcher 3 with a 4x core A57 CPU at 1.05Ghz, whereas the A77 8x core at 3.0Ghz with 2x IPC is basically 6x times faster per core(rounded up numbers to keep it short).
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Stadia was brought about by Google wanting a piece of the largest entertainment industry and noticing how well the streaming services work with movies and TV shows.
I personally see it as a completely different thing from the one we're talking about here.
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and yet you pay for the service and the games so whats the damn difference. If you have good enough internet for stadia you can afford a console for the next 7 years...
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@Psychoman I wouldnt call the Switch running w3 a good example have you seen footage of it? Its like 720p below low settings imo it ruins the look of the game not that im saying i was expecting it to max the game out but at medium that game looks amazing compared to the switch version.
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Well the visuals on the switch are limited by the GPU, especially in the witcher 3. I'm talking CPU-wise.
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@Psychoman yeah but the CPU is doing nothing in that game though it's not a CPU intensive game witcher 3 is heavily GPU bound like most games so unless its got a beefy GPU the performance wont be all that much different? You know what i mean right? They wont be able to up the settings atleast i dont think so
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Depending on my taste. For much demanding games I prefer desktop because my desktop has superior components to run demanding games. I have a gaming laptop with GTX 1060 for less demanding games as there are seriously lot of games to run well under GTX 1060. So for my taste I would spend max 1500€ or $1660 for laptop. Besides as student I can't bring expensive PC to student dormitory, too bulky, too many cables and ****s to bring... Not worth a hassle plus a high risk that someone would steal a PC.
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I personally dislike the laptops due to the form factor, but still.
"Gaming" laptops that literally have the same specs as another non-"Gaming" branded laptop, but cost 1.5-2.0x times as much or even more are stupid.
Laptops with good specs that can game and priced normally are absolutely fine.
Of course for the same money you will be able to get a better PC, but laptops have too many companies involved in making their parts and assembly and shiz and too many middle-men so yeah, it's only expected, though still kinda bs.
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Hmm, not really. It's nearly impossible to find a high specced laptop that ISN'T branded as a gaming laptop OR a workstation (quadro/radeon card). It mostly ends at mid range GPUs and then everything becomes gaming (sh!t) branded.
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I have used laptops my whole life and now having desktop I will say big NO! I still have mine (940m), but in all honesty now I would be completely fine with any new intel gpu laptop. Dedicated gpu is not worth the cost. Should have went to desktop quicker.
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Nowadays the intel igpus are decently powerful. A shame that the first gen one wasn't strong at all, so it's not only that my laptop can barely run any game, even new 2.5D games, but also struggling with programs that rely on a graphics card (doesn't have to be powerful). A dgpu is a good to have thing on an old laptop.
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Portability comes at a cost both to your wallet and performance/thermal limit. But you do get a keyboard,monitor and a pc in one package. Some people just cant carry a desktop everywhere.
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True but i feel like unless you absolutetly have to game wherever you go a phone has kinda replaced a laptop atleast at the basic and some complex stuff. Obviously a laptop still has more functionality but i think unless you need the portability a phone can serve you fine.
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I carry my desktop everywhere as long as I stay for more than a couple of days there.
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Bruh you must be benching atleast 200kgs then? XD Cause my system weighs atleast 20kg and im not the strongest but carrying this thing around will give me lumbago in no time!
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Mine weights a bit over 20kg and I don't have a problem. I have no idea what my 1 RM is on the bench though, I do 8-16 reps with 40-50KG though(depending on which set). XD
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flights must be fun with that tower :P
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Hahaha, me fly? The only flight I will take in my life is from the 6th floor if I slip and fall. XD
I hate traveling for long periods of time(More than 30 mins to 1 hour).
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Yeah but are you carrying it from your car or whatever and driving it to location from location or are you legit carrying it cross country Dx cause that's why i had in mind lol. But yeah i was exaggerating a bit although i need to start taking gym more seriously again my lower back's not in the best state :/
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Obviously, from the 6th floor to the car, from the car to the place, the longest I've carried it was in a sack 2 kilometers+ to the bus station.
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I'll tell you my genius plan when i bought this case a year ago i thought "oh hey the place that they deliver too is only 15-20 minutes away" ill just pocket the 5€(shipping) instead and carry it back to my place. Took me like 30-40 minutes and i felt like i worked out for an hour even thought the case in was like 10
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Probably the huge box that they "package" them in made it so akward to carry even though it had clear indents where to grab it and carry it but cause it was so huge "the box" i kept carrying it in an akward angle so i think if i ever do that again ill just pay the shipping even thought tipically shippin is like 1-2€
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Up until 8th grade I used to forget tons of books and notebooks and other stuff, so in 6th grade I decided that I will carry everything so I forget nothing. My backpack was 16kg(measured by my gym teacher after he saw it) and I had no problem carrying it anywhere, often I went from school to home by foot and that's 4 kilometers, that all the way up to 9th grade where I stopped carrying almost anything in it as I stopped giving a crap what I have forgotten or not. Problem is sometimes I even forgot my backpack and it feels so awkward to go to school without a backpack XD
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And yes, the box is the problem, you have no place to grip it so you have to hug it and you can't grab the entire thing, that's why when I carry boxes I just puncture holes with my hands and that's how I grab it and carry it. XD
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Oh yeah and it's a glass panel case so of course i cant puncture it Dx or drop it. It wasn't the fact that it was barely 10kg but yeah the akward as hell box that it comes in that was the issue :) I rarely ever carried books to school we had lockers and i cba to carry them with me so i ended up leaving them in there
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Except when i needed them to study and for homework obviously but yeah all together i wouldnt be suprised if they weighed like 20kg and that was in primary school ofc HS we had lockers and not all that many books too carry mostly just used a giant "book" or whatever its called to write everything in and carry it with m
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Homework... until university I didn't even do that... egh... they wasted 8 hours of my life everyday there(or maybe they kept me alive, IDK I slept there) and they expected me to do something home... haha, never. University is a bitch though... don't do homework, you basically fail the year... freaking hell...
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im not talking about uni i was talking about primary school or the first 9 grades. I never did homework in high school or uni its a waste of time. Well i will say that university is a waste time in general i havent done my masters yet they're next year but i dont even know if ill bother theyre a huge pain in the ass
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Considering the current company im working i make as much as i would with a degree in a different one. Many people end up just working here full time and not finishing it. it's just a piece of paper and i dont care for it but i also understand why some people pursue finishing it as they need that paper.
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The amount of people with higher education completed that ive met that end up working lower end jobs cause companies go under makes me not wanna dilly dally around too much although you never know its always good to have that paper as backup in case but most of the time you have to take lower paying jobs later...
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The problem in my country is that so many people are going to University that in the near future, the government will make it mandatory for people working in engineering spheres to have engineering bachelor certificates, similar to how doctors and lawyers need a medical certificate and law certificate... and I better get it now after school than be 30 or 40 and get fired or have my company closed down cuz I'm not an "engineer"...
And the morons in my country only go to university to get drunk and party... not that you can learn anything from the university itself, the european education system sucks balls, but oh well...
I'm definitely doing only bachelor... university has slowed down all my studying... programming, music, fitness, everything...
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Otherwise I'm with you... both schools and university just waste time and give you a worhtless, meaningless paper...
And the crappy thing about my university is that I have to be there 9:30 to 18:00 and this year even from 7:30 to 18:00... only one class per day is not mandatory and it's in the middle of the rest... and then I gotta get back to my dead beat one room appartment which is mandatory shared with someone, and do a 1-2 hour homework otherwise I get kicked out... f@cking bullsh!t... on top of having to do my own laundry and buying my food and sh!t...
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Oh my god thats so annoying and i agree with you pursing traditional jobs now is increasing degree requirements while some people just go there to get drunk,party,high whatever theyre wasting there time but uni nerfs a lot of your time usage like you said. Sooner or later your gonna need bachelor,master,even a PhD
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just to mop the floor or do basic work otherwise you are relegated to factory jobs or basic ones. But yeah being stuck all day there is nightmare fuel and doing it at your 30,40s isnt the worst thing a lot of people pursue later educations like doctorates, PhD's later some finish it early of course. It highly depends
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on the personal situation any job or jobs you got lined up and the company,companies history. I think self employment of any kind is my ultimate goal and i imagine most peoples even though that has it's own challenges. Being in the "system" is just gonna get harder and harder especially in EU fkin nightmare system
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Yup and those who require it and want it to become mandatory are some aliens, it's like they've never been to university, probably haven't, otherwise they'd know what complete bullcrap they are... -_-
This summer I've been literally next to dead as I've burnt out thanks to university... I still do (unofficial)work and read and stuff, but I'm just tired all the time cuz I'm burnt out... and I have to start university again next month and waste even more time... yay...
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And yeah it's nightmare fuel... also my country has very few factories thanks to our government... but that's another story.
Also as I said I soon won't be able to have my own company if I'm NOT an engineer, if my company specialises in services and/or products in the "engineering sphere"... so I won't even be able to self-employ myself, which is a goal for me too when I get older, but until I hit 30 or so, I don't feel like working 12-16 hours a day running a company.
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I have nothing against there being an education system, it just needs to be good and productive and effective... The current EU education system that all countries in the EU follow is garbage at best... in 12 years of school and 4-8 years of university they can NOT produce productive people, let alone experts...
I've always though that the first 4 grades should be compressed into 2, grades 5 through 7 should also be compressed into 2(from 3) and can remain the same, and the rest 8 grades should be specialised in one field, studying from books, professionals and in companies, studying practical, real life skills and knowledge and applying it, so by the time you finish school you are almost an expert if not an expert... instead we have 14 subjects learning nothing about everything...
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Yeah self employment is an all time thing we've got a lot of factories so even in the worst cases you can atleast rely on those jobs. But 12-16 is pretty reserved for self employment most people ive met work basically all day all the time up to 18-20hours usually. Even if you are not working you have to be avalaible
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all the time on stand-by. Work most of the time just ends up being work all the time and that burn out i think is universal or atleast i feel like it is. Especially as we are always around screens getting even more fatigued by them. And yeah there are way too many pointless subjects in school i always thought you
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yup my dad has his own hardware and machine engineering and maintenance company and he works from 7-8 in the morning to at the very least 19:00 o'clock, usually until 121:00 to 22:00 o'clock and there are no saturdays and sundays. And there are no qualified(as in people with knowledge and skills, not people with paper, all have the papers) people for him to employ... all of them are useless and he has no time or resources to teach them... has literally 3 employees and the company was started by my grandfather 50+ years ago...
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should be able to ATLEAST pick a few and then strip the others you dont care about down. There are just too many pointless ones and i think the education part in total 20 years from age 5-6 takes way too long plus you can even go beyond 26 years..instanity half your life studying from "books" Dx
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@Psychoman that's an issue aswell i feel like you come out of Uni or whatever and have a PAPER but no experience. So you go somewhere and the first thing youll get asked for is experince and "reference" points like XDDD how are you suppost to have that. So people get stuck in this endless loop of being educated
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without any experience AKA your are worthless. That's what the system produces in a lot of countries and in a lot of ways...unless you can find good work or a company on the side or are already "grandfathered" into something like you are most people are fked from the get go...unfortunetly
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I really hope I don't get to continue my father's company... It's not the work itself, but dealing with moronic doctors and dentists that is just annoying... -_-
I hope my brother gets it, or I just manage it, but no way am I going to be arround them... they are mega annoying...
I hope to start my programming company or find a good programming job and maybe lead a dev team. Or maybe work something car related that is not a mechanic
I hate money, managing money, dealing with money, thinking about money... I hate dealing with "businessmen" and having to do paperwork and taxes and pension funds and medical care taxes and such shiz... I like working...
Not really fit to run a company... and unless it's a multi-million+ dollar company you can't hire people to do those things for you
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And I absolutely agree with you btw. Also the company I'm inheritting isn't big as I told you, with my dad that's 4 employees... but as I said if he could have hired more he would have long ago... there is plenty of work to be done, way too much actually.
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Ohh yeah i see you hate the CEO's or the management position youd rather work. I get that im the same way i dont like the idea of managing money or anything to do with taxes etc etc. Its so boring and annoying i didnt mean you running the company just that i thought you were "grandfathered" into working there
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And yeah thats true unless you are making millions you cant afford to hire alot of people to manage the boring shet but also it doesnt matter how big or small the company is the one i work for isnt huge either and i prefer it that way since bigger companies have much more demands and overhead and can topple easily
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Hahhaa, my dad wants me to, but I don't care what he wants me to do. Though I don't want to have the company go under, which is where I hope my brother comes in as he has no ambitions to work anything and is fine with anything as long as it pays well(typical Bulgarian :/), his only ambition is to be in a metal band, but as I've told him, he's in the wrong country and born 30-40 years too late :D
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Although metal is making a slight comeback with TOOL finally releasing a new album,new slipknot and korn stuff so it appears we regressed back to the 80s,90s XD. I imagine most people sit in that lazy no ambition position nowadays fairly typical to see it in my country too for me its boring and depressing i NEED to be
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doing something otherwise i dont get the point in life. Sitting there entering numbers or doing taxes just sounds like hell and you make 1 mistake with a number and boom you screwed someone over PREPARE FOR LAWSUITS XDDD
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The new Slipknot album is disappointing... When they said it's gonna be as heavy as IOWA and resembeling it, I was so hyped... and then it turned out to be another All Hope is Gone, but slightly worse... -_-
But yeah many bands from back in the day are still making music, I'm hyped for the new Korn and Tool albums, new megadeth album next year(Dave got throat cancer so it was delayed), new metallica album potentially in 2021, new testament album in 2020, new Kreator album potentially in 2021, new Avatar album next year probably or maybe 2021 due to the movie they are making, Evile are making a new album too, Overkill are an album machine...
But thing is there is no metal band that is from 2010 and later that is not some grindcore, deathcore, black metal crap... so the future is bleak
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Also yes I agree, it's so sad to just work for the money... even if it pays a lot the honeymoon of making money will pass and if you don't like what you are doing or worse hate it, you will burn out and be misserable...
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True True im not a fan of the two songs slipknots released so far atleast ive only heard them not yet the full album. I did like Tool's Fear Inoculum song full album i think is Friday but saw some people complain that it sound too similar to lateralus and a few songs. But yeah past 2010 metal went down the drain
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Ive branched out a lot used to be all about metal in my early teens but now ill listen to mostly anything AS LONG AS ITS NOT POP. Thats not music its crap. I like stuff like classical music,johnny cash or similar country,rock here and there,game soundtracks, Two steps from hell and audiomachine etc.
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But speaking of miserable jobs that pay a lot my cousin 5 years younger than me wants to be an accountant. I think id rather cave my skull in than do that job for 1 day honestly LOL
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I love johnny cash too, and I like jazz(instrumentals and some songs), blues, metal, rock, some classic, mostly new classic, funk and many more. I don't like pop, I don't like modern hip-hop/rap, I don't like my country's(and Bulkan's) trademark "pop-folk", absolute garbage and a few more that I don't like.
If I ever have to be an accountant I'm with you, I'm going to gutt myself with a plastic bottle to ease the pain... egh... just the thought of that gives me the creeps.
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if and only if you have money to throw away