Rumour: First GeForce RTX 3080 and RTX 3070 Ampere 7nm specs leak - up to 20GB VRAM

Written by Stuart Thomas on Mon, Jan 20, 2020 11:19 AM

We’re in that quiet spot right before a new graphics card generation and the rumours are beginning to get a little wild, so take it will a smidgen of salt when we tell you that the specs for Nvidia’s next-generation Ampere GPUs have surfaced.

The specs for what appears to the Nvidia GeForce RTX 3070 and GeForce RTX 3080 come from both @CorgiKitty on Twitter and Chinese website MyDrivers. Like we said, pinch of salt.

We’re looking at two separate GPUs, the weaker of which is the GA104 Ampere GPU. The leak claims this GPU will have 48 SM (Streaming Multiprocessors) and is available in either 8GB of 16GB VRAM configurations on a 256-bit memory interface. This is thought to be the upcoming GeForce RTX 3070.

The big one though is the Nvidia GA103 GPU. This has 60 SMs and either 10GB or 20GB GDDR6 memory, meaning a relatively unusual 320-bit memory bus is required. This unannounced GPU is expected to be the new flagship GeForce RTX 3080, at least until the GeForce RTX 3080 Ti rocks up eight months later.

This doesn’t give us a whole lot to go on, to be honest, aside from the VRAM receiving a nice boost and the naming being a little unusual. Nvidia has historically opted for even-number GPU codenames, particularly for its faster chips. We would’ve expected to see GA104 and GA102, which perhaps indicates that a faster GA102 GPU is in the pipeline.

Nvidia has already heavily indicated that its next-generation graphics card architecture will be 7nm Ampere, although there are also reports of it potentially being dubbed Hopper.

We’re at risk of speculating a ton over specs which are flaky at best though, even if we’re to assume this all true.

No doubt Nvidia will put all the rumours to bed soon enough though. With Big Navi on the horizon, Nvidia will undoubtedly be poised to unleash the GeForce 3000 series to counter it. All eyes would appear to be on Nvidia’s GTX 2020 event on March 22nd, where it’s expected Nvidia will lay out its plans for 2020 and beyond.

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Good. Please price these better tho Nvidia...

ronweasley

Well this means that the 20GB VRAM alone will cost upwards of 230 euro(11.5 euro per GB), hmmm, I wonder how their profit margins will be.

psychoman

If the flagship can't 4k 120FPS on max, I'm out.

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23:42 Jan-25-2020

FINALLY, a somewhat decent amount of VRAM...

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20:09 Jan-22-2020

The price to performance has to be competitive enough, otherwise this bad boy 1080Ti will live to see another winter in my main rig

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20:30 Jan-22-2020

my mind exactly,
I just got 1080 Ti weeks ago, no way I would get rid of it that fast, it can handle all I need at 3440x1440 :)

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11:03 Jan-23-2020

1080ti will probably be fine for years to come even for 1440p60+

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11:44 Jan-23-2020

true, most truly next gen games will come 2-3 years after the launch of consoles most likely.

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07:07 Jan-22-2020

So what will it be this time... 500euro for RTX 3060 SuperDuper 8GBs?! lol ain't no body got money for that!


RTX 3060 for 200-250euro, RTX 3070 for 300-350euro, RTX 3080 for 400-450euro or GTFO! (aka or i'm going with used gfx card, something like 1080 Ti) Same goes for AMD (or Intel :P)!


I'm sick of these insane prices, i seriously can't believe many people would buy (are buying) these gfx card at the price they are at >_>

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02:24 Jan-21-2020

If the flagship can't 4k 120FPS on max, I'm out.

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13:18 Jan-21-2020

With or without ray tracing? :D

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15:09 Jan-21-2020

That doesn't matter to me. Never really cared about raytracing.

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15:21 Jan-21-2020

Well I'm going to disappoint you right now, instead of them months later down the linee. XD

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15:22 Jan-21-2020

I'm sure it will run minecraft 4k 120fps maxed out btw :P

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20:41 Jan-21-2020

But what about minecraft with shaders? That's comparable to crysis back in 2007

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22:53 Jan-22-2020

Tricky one, but I think it shall manage to do it if it has more RT cores.

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06:09 Jan-24-2020

Minecraft shaders don't use RT cores.


Because Java

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11:10 Jan-24-2020

there is no real reason for java to be the cause of that, there can be written libraries for java that can utilize ray tracing cores, or you can hard code them.
Also isn't the Java edition ray tracing free? Only the microsoft windos 10 edition has ray tracing afaik and that's written in C++ no?

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19:50 Jan-24-2020

It can be written. But performance would still be horrible because Java in general is horrible. Even with all the changes being made to it from Oracle with the latest release.


Java Edition has software implemented ray tracing with the sahders from SEUS. On Patreon.


Windows 10 Edition is written in C++ and the only advantage of that version is the much greater performance. Other then that it's trash.

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22:16 Jan-24-2020

Well so I thought and yes performance will be worse because it's on Java, but Java(Java 9) is a lot faster than before, sure not C++ faster, but still quite close enough.
And IDK what the difference between the Windows 10 edition and the Java edition is, I just thought it's the same game, but from the windows store and written in C++... never bothered to check.

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20:28 Jan-25-2020

The Windows 10 edition has ****en microtransaction bs


you can barely mod it. And you can't add free resourcepacks. It's Microsft's doing. You pay for the stuff you'd usually get for free on Java Edition.


And Yeah, Java 9 and now Java 13 are better in performance. But it doesn't make much difference with Minecraft because it's still being developed with Java 8 despite the big changes being made in 1.13.


If only they could somehow just make it for Java 13 using lwjg 3 with the Vulkan API, then it'll run much better.

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11:38 Jan-26-2020

Is java 13 actually faster than java 9, I'm not aware of any performance improvements after java 9, though I rarely code on java, but still.

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19:43 Jan-26-2020

I don't know. All I know is that Java 9 was a big update compared to Java 8. Java 13 is the latest release so there's no reason to use an older version. Not unless you wanna mod the f*ck out of Minecraft.

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21:03 Jan-26-2020

Yeah Java 9 is the last performance improvement for Java and a big one at that, Java 13 just added some features. Also I don't see why you wouldn't be able to mod minecraft if you use java 9 or java 13.

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22:25 Jan-26-2020

With an older version like 1.12.2 with optifine, Java 9 and up isn't supported. It just crashes.


Oh and Minecraft Forge is also at fault for this.

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11:19 Jan-27-2020

I see.

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03:47 Jan-23-2020

8k for some of us

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19:18 Jan-20-2020

Lol the prices will go up.

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19:11 Jan-20-2020

so the price around 3000 eur?

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18:39 Jan-20-2020

And then there is:
Phones with 8/12GB ram
Low end GPUs with 4/6GB ram


Don't know what you'll use it for, but if higher numbers mean better, then manufacturers really know what they're doing.

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16:33 Jan-20-2020

If Amd had upped their high end game years ago we'd already be looking at least one generation beyond these specs believe me. But I digress...let the big guys collide ^^

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20:16 Jan-20-2020

I bet they were busy with roasting Intel with their Ryzen lineup that time ago

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16:15 Jan-20-2020

20GB? NICE!


Which reminds me, the only disappointment I have with my GPU is the amount of VRAM it has (6GB) over my previous one (4GB). Which is only 50% more. But otherwise it's a massive upgrade from the previous and it performs about how I'd expect it to.


I expect my next upgrade to have at least 16GB minimum.

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16:39 Jan-20-2020

how are the temps on that gpu? i have the 1060 phoenix version and it tends to get hot/loud

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16:57 Jan-20-2020

Specifics I can't remember but do I know that the temperatures seem fine. Mine runs fairly quiet.


If yours is running loud or hot, it may be defective or you may just need to replace the thermal paste on it.

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17:10 Jan-20-2020

Goes around 80-84°C in witcher 3, but it has always been like that. Nit very happy with this asus card tbh.

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17:18 Jan-20-2020

80-85C isn't bad, unusual for gtx 1060s, but it also depends on how good your case airflow is

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17:28 Jan-20-2020

I have 2 fans pulling air in and one on the back pushing out. But it is most likely the gpu cooler being ineffective, thats why I asked how he fares.
It is not bad, but I am loosing out some performance due to the lower clocks.

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19:01 Jan-20-2020

If you have 2 fans blowing air in and only one blowing air out then that's your problem, because you have more air coming in than going out. In short airflow is the problem.


#1 If you have places to install more fans make sure you do so. You are going to want a 1:1 ratio of intake and exhaust fans.


#2 The fans at the top of the case should always be set to blow outwards, top of case fans blowing inwards is counter-productive, because air rises as it heats up, the opposite happens when it cools.


#3 Make sure intake fans are static pressure. Otherwise, they won't do their job as well.

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19:39 Jan-20-2020

Having more fans taking air in than blowing it out is very common and there's nothing wrong with it. I personally have 3 intake fans and one exhaust and my temps are great. Of course the case, and other components matter also when trying to get the most optimal airflow for a PC. Sure in this case adding another exhaust fan could improve his temps, but not necessarily.

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19:58 Jan-20-2020

I was told that positive pressure is better as it means less dust inside the case... well who knows

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20:16 Jan-20-2020

pressure efficiency depends on case internals too,
right now I have 140+140+120 as intakes and only 140 as exhaust, temps are amazing - GTX 1080 Ti barely gets over 73°C around 1950MHz
dust is a matter of filters and overall pressure indeed - with high intake/positive pressure, all other possible holes work as exhaust, on the other hand those intakes (even with dust filters) suck inside more dust, so there's a balance to figure out - for my case, I prefer more slowly-spinning intakes (to provide large amounts of air, even at low rpm) and just one exhaust tied with cpu cooler fan speeds basically

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22:13 Jan-20-2020

It also really depends on the CFM of the fans and the static pressure. Usually front fans have to high static pressure fans otherwise they are useless.

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15:54 Jan-20-2020

I would not be surprised if GeForce RTX 3080 would cost 2 kidneys.

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16:06 Jan-20-2020

That's why I'm thinking of growing some kidneys

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15:13 Jan-21-2020

2080 cost like $1000 on release. That's nothing if you have managed to not play your entire life away and got a decent job. $1000/2 years, that's not expensive...

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15:27 Jan-21-2020

It's not a lot if you are working, but for those who aren't XD

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15:36 Jan-20-2020

You had better bet your sweet ass that they're going to be priced the same or even higher than the current RTX, nvidia only lowers prices when AMD makes competitive products like they did when 5700/5700XT came out

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16:05 Jan-20-2020

All the prices nvidia lowered last year were mainly due to 12nm getting a price cut(due to 12nm+) and secondly because of amd

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12:06 Jan-21-2020

It's most certainly not "secondly because of amd". If amd had not shown competition they'd have left their prices up where they were because when you own the entire market you can do whatever you want

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12:58 Jan-21-2020

True, but without the 12nm price cut they wouldn't have anyway, even if AMD did beat their RTX 2080Ti, unless AMD literally just demolished them. AMD is an abstract factor, actual cost is not.

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14:20 Jan-20-2020

imo RTX 3080 Ti should feature HBM finally dammit

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15:35 Jan-20-2020

HBM3 at that with 16GB capacity would be twice as fast and twice as cheap as HBM2 16GB.(10$ per GB and 2x the bandwidth, that's cheaper and much faster than GDDR6 and more power Efficient)

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13:47 Jan-20-2020

Good. Please price these better tho Nvidia...

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14:52 Jan-20-2020

If they want their stock price to drop then sure they'd lower the profit margins, but I doubt they will, unless there is a massive backlash against the pricing and people actually do NOT buy their cards.


Backlash that they should have received with the gtx 1000 series GPUs back in 2016, not just the rtx 2000 series.
Otherwise expect crazy prices per mm^2 die size.

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12:44 Jan-20-2020

There has been talk of better ray tracing performance not much on rasterization. Going to 7nm should give a better performance boost that 14nm to 12nm... The leaks vram of 20gb seems excessive even 4k res i dont think a game can use more than 8gb maybe(how much is the most vram usage have you seen in game?). Gddr6 isnt inexpensive so even if true get ready for a price hike.

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13:25 Jan-20-2020

It is supposed to bring 50% perf uplift at half the power. Sounds crazy but who knows a what a double node jump might do.

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14:21 Jan-20-2020

GTA:V can use theoretically over 16GB vram at max settings on my rig at 3440x1440,
let's not forget by using 4K together with various AA and oversampling techniques, vram usage basically multiplies

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15:11 Jan-20-2020

That's odd, GTA V uses very little VRAM from my experience (only around 4GBs). I know it's only 1080p but Black Ops III in comparison (also released in 2015) uses 6-8GBs.

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20:11 Jan-20-2020

if you crank up MSAA AND Frame Scaling Mode (in Advanced Graphics settings) you can get way higher ;)

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12:40 Jan-20-2020

Well this means that the 20GB VRAM alone will cost upwards of 230 euro(11.5 euro per GB), hmmm, I wonder how their profit margins will be.

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22:30 Jan-20-2020

whats your prediction on prices? I know its early just it would be interesting to hear. I personally planning to get either rtx 3080 or amd equivalent if they have one.

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22:51 Jan-20-2020

depends on the profit margin and die sizes. IF they have same Die sizes and Profit Margins, then they'd be at least 138 euro more expensive due to that extra from the 12GB extra VRAM on the RTX 3080 compared to the RTX 2080. Again assuming their die sizes as the same and they have the same margins.


BUT, then you factor in that 12nm got a price cut in 2019(due to 12nm+), and 7nm still hasn't and thus 7nm is more expensive, but 7nm+ will be less expensive than 7nm and quite better in very way, but still more expensive than 12nm currently is.

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22:51 Jan-20-2020

So yeah it really depends, if Nvidia continues to be... Nvidia, then prices will go up, and yes I used their name as a descriptive term. XD

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22:55 Jan-20-2020

If they are generous and customer friendly AND the Die sizes are the same, then the prices should be the same as the rtx 2000 series, I mean they are big dies, 20GB of VRAM is expensive and so are big die sizes.


If they are NOT generous and customer friendly AND the Die Sizes are the same, then expect higher prices than the rtx 2000 series.

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17:03 Jan-22-2020

yeah seems about right

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11:43 Jan-20-2020

One thing this means that it is not HBM 2/3

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