RTX 2070 Super will be required to at least run Unreal Engine 5 demo on PC, says Epic

Written by Neil Soutter on Fri, May 15, 2020 3:00 PM

Yesterday we got our official first look at the next Unreal Engine version, showcasing some truly stunning next-gen graphics in Unreal Engine 5 on the PlayStation 5. And whilst the engine isn’t set to come out officially until mid 2021, Epic has revealed the equivalent specs needed for a PC to run the tech demo, called Lumen in the land of Nanite, and apparently it would require a whopping RTX 2070 Super in order to run at least on a PC system.

Apparently the demo itself ran at 1440p most of the time, thanks to the dynamic resolution scaling implemented within the Virtualized geometry tech, even though the video itself was 4K resolution. It’s very likely that the demo was set to 4K with all the textures scaled to 1440p most of the time, but the frame rate was noticeably running at sub 60fps, closely hanging around at the 30fps mark instead. Which doesn’t exactly instill the most amount of confidence in next-gen consoles, and certainly doesn’t look too good for the system requirements of next-games on PC.

However, what’s most interesting here is that the demo apparently did not use any of the dedicated hardware for ray tracing, as everything ran on the PS5’s shader processors, so it is possible for these types of graphics effects to be achieved without the need of an RTX card in the future.

Finally, Epic noted that these graphics were made even more possible by the use of the PS5’s SSD, even going as far to say that a normal hard drive or even a SATA SSD wouldn’t be fast enough to load the high res textures used in the demo, and an NVME SSD would be needed in order to load the textures at the required speed on a PC. So it’s possible that we may even see storage drive requirements for games in the future, with some maybe even explicitly stating a certain SSD needed for the recommended system requirements.

What are your thoughts? Would you buy an RTX 2070 Super just to play UE5 games? Is 30fps acceptable for graphics at this fidelity? Do you think games will require a certain SSD as part of their recommended system requirements? Let us know by voting below!

Would you buy an RTX 2070 Super to play the UE5 demo?

Is 30fps acceptable for this kind of graphical quality?

Do you think games in the future will require a certain SSD to run?

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Well considering that the Xbox Seires S will have a GPU that will be at the very least as good as the RX 5700xt and RTX 2070 Super, I'm not surprised. The PS5 should have a GPU that's equally as good too.

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I doubt future games will look like this and expect to run at a stable framerate. This tech demo is just to show what next-gen consoles will be capable of.

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15:34 May-17-2020

Buying a RTX 2070 super or anything in 2XXX series line up is a really big mistake since the new series should come in like 5 months or so, unless you're waiting on new 3XXX series so 2XXX would be way cheaper and you don't have a lot of money to get everything latest for your build then yeah 2070S is a good choice

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14:58 May-17-2020

If and only if, the PS 5 can rival a good Gaming Rig, than what scare me the most is the price of the console, and not if we will need an SSD or not.

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06:26 May-17-2020

So what guys at Epic are trying to say, is that an AMD RTX 2070 equivalent is powering the PS5? pathetic :TomCruiseLaugh:

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19:54 May-17-2020

First it's the rtx 2070 Super, secondly the RTX 2070 Super is only 15-20% slower than the RTX 2080Ti and third the RTX 2070 Super costs as much as the console itself will most likely cost to the consumer.

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03:58 May-17-2020

hopefully that's for 1440p 60fps and not 30fps as the ps5

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19:54 May-17-2020

You wish. XD

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01:04 May-17-2020

can't wait to see how it would run on cards lower than that

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21:42 May-16-2020

I can't wait to see more since this is the first time we'll have such powerful consoles (compared to PC) but... I'm always suspicious when it comes to technical demos. We'll know where we stand when we see gameplay from real games.

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20:28 May-16-2020

Well if things end up speeding like this and if the prices aren't dropping accordingly i just might spend the time at youtube watching the gameplays than trying to keep track with the rigs

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14:22 May-16-2020

Consoles dictate the minimum requirements for game performance as the released game has to run on all major platforms. And with consoles having 8 core CPIUs and 2070 Super GPUs in them, it is no surprise that we would need these specs at minimum to run next-gen games developed on next-gen engines.

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13:23 May-16-2020

You need an SSD also to run windows 10 decently, so i don't see where the problem is.

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00:49 May-16-2020

Who's voting no on the requiring SSD poll?? I'm going to be really annoyed if PC ends up being the platform holding games back because you're too cheap to buy an SSD. Of course games are going to require SSDs! Games are going to be designed around the massive load speed increases on the new consoles, do you really want developers forced to continue to design their games around ancient hard drives? You don't need an SSD big enough to hold everything, just swap them on and off

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11:25 May-18-2020

I can already see that happening, actually. The titles that will involve the PS4 and XBONE will probably not need the SSDs, but eventually the developers will make a shift towards the new gen exclusivity and that's when the HDD users on PC will be screwing with the progress. I see people even now in 2020 still buying HDDs for gaming! I don't understand how they're even willing to wait through those mammoth boot and loading times to begin with...

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00:15 May-16-2020

No i will not buy a GPU for a tech demo, however i am waiting for an ampere GPU and the AMD cpus, also remember that UE 5 releases mid to late NEXT YEAR, this is not that outrageous for a tech demo set for next year.
We dont know how strong this year's GPUs and CPUs are yet, all these things have been pushed back, what if the RTX 3060 is as strong as a 2070 super(wishful thinking, but you know, what if)?
Also we dont know if SSDs have gotten upgrades yet cuz all the tech shows have been cancelled/pushed back, what if second gen PCIE 4 SSDs are stronger

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00:23 May-16-2020

Also i don't think games will REQUIRE an ssd, they also said it can run on mobile.. For Ultra settings then yea, you might need a high end SSD, but under like high you should be fine..
Buy an SSD tho it is more than worth the money, and they aren't that fragile any more and they are a needed upgrade to every system.

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11:29 May-18-2020

Games will 100% need SSDs with larger and larger assets. There will come a point where a HDD will just not be able to cope with the streaming needs, much like in this demo a SATA SSD would have crapped out.
Technically - games already need SSDs, if you love yourself enough not to waste time on those mammoth HDD loading screens (boot and games) and avoid stuttering in certain games.

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22:16 May-15-2020

No, I would not buy 2070 Super now, unless you really need it now because your old card struggles to play games, I would wait for RDNA2 and RTX3000. They sound like big uplift in terms of performance. Also I don't play benchmarks, neither I play tech demos, which crank everything to max and likely won't be how games look in first half of next generation. They are nice display of capabilities,...

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22:21 May-15-2020

... but games they are not. And I would never buy bare bones minimum. That never works well, because it gets obsolete rather quickly. And while this tech demo looks very nice, as said, I will still upgrade when I feel like my current 1070 can't do it anymore. Plus Turing was kind of so-so upgrade anyway, it is introduction of new tech and likely will age as poorly as Kepler.

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20:36 May-15-2020

Did they just say that at its best the PS5 has a GPU that is equivalent to RTX 2070 Super?

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22:24 May-15-2020

Till we get performance numbers for 2070 Super at same settings, I doubt we can say for sure. I mean needing it to just run doesn't really say anything about resolution and framerate. But I would take a guess that for minimum both are probably fairly low. As for console performance, if you go with teraflops and try using 5700XT for analogue, it should be around RTX2080. But this is guessing.

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20:12 May-15-2020

My guess is probably at the tail end of the PS5 and Series X lifecycle, we will get a game tht looks almost the same as this tech demo or maybe better than this. Maybe Sony's first party studio is already working on something of this tech demo caliber and can surprise us with something better.


Now some predictions I am making. may or may not end up, so take it with whtever grain u wish to..
8 core CPU's will be the minimum, while 16 will be the recommended. decompressing assets on the fly as it loads from the SSD, will be a bottleneck on the CPU and more cores operating at least 4 ghz should be enough. the consoles come with a dedicated co processor just for this decompressing part with a 8 core CPU and in a PC, to match tht we need a higher core count CPU.
AMD and Nvidia's next gen GPU's should be plenty enough to tide over the next gen.
Minimum RAM will be 16gb and recommended will be 32gb.
Minimum SSD will be a NVme one.

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18:55 May-15-2020

That can't be true

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20:04 May-15-2020

Why?

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18:13 May-15-2020

What they say about NVME sounds very possible given that next-gen consoles will have them. But l wonder how will they handle the system requirements?

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18:16 May-15-2020

For example, will my EVO 970 be enough or they will require even faster memory, where will they draw the line on what's the min writing and reading speed?

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18:19 May-15-2020

You need NVME, ok, but which one? There are different types running at different speeds, gen 3 gen 4? Will there be a certain min w/r speed requirement?

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17:49 May-15-2020

damn , need to upgrade my hdd then

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17:38 May-15-2020

So what they have shown is pretty much next to useless in terms of real world.


If you need a 2070S "at least" to run a small tech demo which lacks 95% of what a game actually needs to be complete, and taking into consideration that said tech demo most likely had an extreme amount of time invested into the technology and optimization, we can unfortunately assume that no game on either PC / next gen consoles will soon achieve those graphics, but still cool to see

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15:46 May-16-2020

People are looking at the wrong thing here. As a 3D artist I see the real deal - it's the ability to use unoptimized assets! Game development vs "offline" CG (stills and movies) has a very different workflow - primarily the difference is asset optimization. Where I can throw super detailed models and scans into my work - I couldn't do that with game engines. But with UE5 - you CAN. THAT is the major difference! Which means 3 things:
1) Games WILL look that good in due time;
2) Fast SSDs will be required;
3) Game storage reqs will jump up a lot.

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15:50 May-16-2020

On top of that - we will start seeing a lot more stuff made in-engine, like short films, architectural visualization, etc (these things are already being made in UE4 and Unity, but there will be MORE of that, once asset optimization is no longer required).
I'm guessing game dev speed might also get a nice boost, since asset optimization takes quite a long time. Not like optimization won't be needed at all - games would sharply balloon in size otherwise - but the time needed will be drastically reduced, the way I see it.

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15:53 May-16-2020

My problem, however, is that HDD users will be, essentially, stopping the progress here. I have been recommending people get SSDs for gaming for years now, but still I see people buying multi-terabyte HDDs for gaming. I don't know how people do it - it takes AGES to load anything off a HDD, compared to SSDs...
So if game devs decide to keep backwards compatibility and reduce the stream data - and therefore DETAIL in games - to be able to sell to HDD users...well...you have the HDD users to thank, not the "lacking" technology or anything like that...

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20:19 May-16-2020

Its not like everyone can afford 1TB SSD u know...

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11:32 May-18-2020

Buy a small SSD, keep a handful of load-heavy games there. You can get by with a 250-500GB SSD for gaming easily, if on a budget. When you're on a tight budget - you improvise. Installing every game in your library on a large HDD and expecting to be able to do the same with an SSD is being lazy.

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17:21 May-15-2020

Okay, so we basically know that the games made in this engine aren't going to look anywhere as near as good as the demo, because games are made for the lowest denominator, which will be mid-ranged PCs next gen by the sounds of it

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16:51 May-15-2020

Omg, are you kidding me i just bought a WD 3TB 5400rpm hdd for cheap for videogames. Ssds are not cheap, let alone to have videogames inside them.

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19:53 May-15-2020

u bought 5400rpm?? wtf why

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22:30 May-15-2020

Because the 5400rpm was cheaper and more silent, it has 150mb/s max read-write speed so, i don't see a lot of difference in loading times, i mean it is ok.

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11:34 May-18-2020

150MB/s sequential is HORRIBLE... On top of that - it's a HDD! Do you enjoy waiting for minutes at every load screen? I don't get it... It's a waste of time and borderline torture...

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00:51 May-16-2020

Well i have a 3 TB 7200 RPM i bougt for 50 bucks a few years back as a storage for all my non favorite/non active games and a 512 NVME M.2 ADATA GAMMIX

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00:44 May-16-2020

Why on earth would you invest more in a technology so clearly on the way out?? People like you are going to make PC the platform that holds games back once the new consoles release. Also if you can't tell the load time difference between a 5400 hdd and an ssd you clearly never owned an ssd.

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11:36 May-18-2020

I think he meant he doesn't see the difference in loading between a 5400 and a good 7.2-10K drive...I guess when you wait over a minute at any loading screen - what's another 20-30 seconds xD
Seriously, HDD gaming should be banned...

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