Up For Debate - Will the Radeon RX 6000 be able to compare against the RTX 30 series?

Written by Chad Norton on Sun, Oct 11, 2020 6:22 PM
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AMD recently excited pretty much everyone away with their recent announcement of the Ryzen 5000 next-gen CPUs based on the new Zen 3 architecture. Whilst the entire presentation was mostly about the new chips, AMD also gave us a little tease of their upcoming Radeon RX 6000 GPUs as well.

At the end of the Ryzen 5000 announcement, AMD CEO Lisa Su teased fans with the reveal of the RX 6000 series, which has now been officially named the Big Navi thanks to almost everyone calling it that already. With that tease, they gave us a look at some performance benchmarks for a few AAA games at 4K Max graphics settings:

So to spell that out really quick: The Radeon RX 6000 achieved 61fps in Borderlands 3, 73fps in Gears of War 5, and Call of Duty: Modern Warfare got 88fps, all at 4K resolution on the Maximum graphics settings available. Those are some pretty tremendous 4K performance numbers coming from AMD at this time.

Now the big question is whether this meets, exceeds, or falls short of the RTX 30 series, more specifically the RTX 3080. Rumors have been going around that AMD’s flagship card will be called the Radeon RX 6900 XT, so we can assume that this was the card on show here in terms of performance.

We can also assume that AMD will follow Nvidia’s path with their performance resolution expectations, as the RTX 3080 is focused on 4K, RTX 3070 is 1440p, and RTX 3060 will, presumably, be focusing on 1080p still. If that’s true, AMD could possibly be bringing out 3 cards to target the same specific resolutions.

So, if the Radeon RX 6900 XT will be the Red Team’s rough equivalent of the RTX 3080, we can compare these statistics given by AMD to Nvidia’s RTX 3080 benchmarks and see how performance holds up.

According to Nvidia, here are some official performance metrics for their RTX 3080 Founders Edition:

Now of course the only game that overlaps here is Borderlands 3, but if you take a look at performance, you can see that Nvidia’s card reached just over 60fps, quite possibly even 61fps which is exactly neck-and-neck with the Radeon 6000 series result above.

In order to look at the other games performance, we’re going to have to look around elsewhere. According to multiple different sources, the RTX 3080 FE hit an average of 81fps in Gears of War 5, and 101fps in COD Modern Warfare, both of which are slightly higher than the 73fps and 88fps achieved by the Radeon RX 6000 series.

Still though, those are some pretty good numbers for AMD to achieve despite being relatively far behind Nvidia when it comes to GPUs, which only means AMD has caught up to them in terms of performance quite considerably.

If we take those numbers as true, we can expect the flagship Radeon RX 6000 GPU (possibly named Radeon RX 6900 XT) to be at best on par with the RTX 3080, or slightly slower. If that is the case, then AMD will have to announce a pretty enticing price tag to compete against the 3080, which at launch was $699.

The Radeon RX 5700 XT was $399 at launch, and is roughly equivalent to the RTX 2070 which was $499 at launch. So if the RX 6900 XT is roughly equivalent to or slightly behind the RTX 3080, how much cheaper will AMD's flagship card be? $100? $150? That would put the Radeon RX 6900 XT at $599 or even $549.

We're just looking to have a friendly discussion here about our performance and price expectations for these next-gen graphics cards that a lot of us are excited for - it's an exciting time for us PC players after all - and by no means are we trying to bash AMD's cards compared to Nvidia.

So what do you think? Will the Radeon RX 6000 series be able to compare to the RTX 30 series? What card do you think AMD showed off here? The Radeon RX 6900 XT? And if the RX 6900 XT falls slightly behind the RTX 3080, then what would you pay for it? $100, $150 less or even more? Let’s debate!

What are your flagship RX 6000 vs RTX 3080 performance expectations?

How much cheaper do you think the flagship AMD RX 6000 card will be? In USD

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17:03 Oct-13-2020

why amd not have rtx type tech its 2020

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17:12 Oct-13-2020

Because it's quite pointless compared to what we already have and amd usually integrates its functionalities in their pipeline, where as nvidia adds them

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17:14 Oct-13-2020

Adds them more modularly as completely separated pipelines(not the scheduler and dispatch of course) which imo is more practical and better

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17:14 Oct-13-2020

Fetch too.

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13:32 Oct-14-2020

thanks for info

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22:10 Oct-12-2020

I think RDNA2 flagship and 3080 will kind of trade blows, 3080 will be better in some games, RDNA2 flagshp in others. So about equal, maybe slightly worse in worst case. And probably cheaper. Dunno if it will be 100USD cheaper or how much, but prices are constantly changed till last possible second. Some RTX cards had even their prices decided behind the stage during presentation.

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01:40 Oct-12-2020

It will be around the same performance as 3080 but beat it down the line as AMD cards age like fine wine.

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05:13 Oct-12-2020

You mean early access hardware, pay the full price now and get the full performance maybe later

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06:08 Oct-12-2020

They're selling based on current performance and you should be buying on the same basis. Any improvements in performance afterwards is only a bonus.
There'd be a point there if AMD sold their cards based on future performance but they aren't doing so.

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06:30 Oct-12-2020

Current performance? You mean the current performance when people get black screens that may or may not get fixed?

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07:22 Oct-12-2020

Oh...... you mean like the black screens people were getting with the 3080?

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08:52 Oct-12-2020

Fine wine, ofc, so that is why the vega 64 is barely faster than the 980Ti in for example mafia remake?

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10:41 Oct-12-2020

Game optimization needs to be taken into account. And by vega64 the GCN drivers were in excellent condition.
Rdna drivers still don't perform well

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10:42 Oct-12-2020

That said rdna gpus will not get nearly as much performance improvement overtime as GCN gpus, since rdna isn't as underutilized as GCN, not even close.

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11:51 Oct-12-2020

That hit a nerve lol....

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00:40 Oct-12-2020

It will be slightly worse at launch, but 12-18 months from now will handily beat the Nvidia equivalent.

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00:02 Oct-12-2020

At this point I will never expect top performance from AMD's cards. But I that's alright because you get better price per dollar imo which is more than enough for me.

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21:58 Oct-11-2020

i think beta drivers for a gpu that hasn't been released yet on a system that also hasn't been released and is definitely not like the ones everyone is testing 3080s on means we should all just admire what amd is showing us and hope for the best when it comes out.
competition is good for customers.
here's hoping for another 290x.

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21:43 Oct-11-2020

I doubt they can get their drivers in check so I have 0 expectations. Their flagship will probably be slightly worse than 3080 but will cost the same or even more. At least where I live

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21:29 Oct-11-2020

No dlss is a major downside and performance gap is gonna be huge because of it. And before everybody says dlss isnt in every game: only the games that need dlss will get it meaning most AAA games where benchmarking and high end hardware is required.

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08:58 Oct-12-2020

They should implement checkerboard rendering. It is more demanding, but the quality is also higher than dlss(at least at the moment)

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13:43 Oct-12-2020

Dlss 2.0 is hell of a lot better than when it first appeared. Another iteration and it'll likely be a standard.

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15:38 Oct-12-2020

I'm aware of that and that's why I said at the moment with dlss 2.1 out, in the future it might become better.

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20:11 Oct-11-2020

Definitely they will have a GPU between the rtx 3070 and rtx 3080 in performance, that is for sure. Nvidia should release such one too. XD

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20:07 Oct-11-2020

The only sane and realistic thing to say in this case is "time will tell". The card is not out, we have no 3rd party benchmarks, the drivers are not finalized - a lot can change. Only 3 games were showcased in the AMD benches - those are going to be cherry-picked "poster child" types of games, much like Nvidia's "8K gaming" ones, so the healthy thing to do is take it all with a fistful of salt and wait.
Speculations just build hype and, in turn, disappointment, so I find it all rather useless.

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21:04 Oct-11-2020

Exactly, i have this idea, not sure if true or not, but RTG/AMD most of the time uses cherry picked, but more realistic results to showcase their products than nvidia or intel. But yeah time will tell and that will take a while because we will have to wait more than a month from now for official independent navi 2x benchmarks.

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19:38 Oct-11-2020

We'll see...... keep in mind also that there is speculation that the card these benchmarks were shown from wasn't the flagship, but was instead the next card down........ it would be interesting if that proved true, but I will personally avoid the hype train. If these cards are better, you can bet AMD is going to make you pay for them..... count on that!

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20:02 Oct-11-2020

Yeah, also the hype has been astronomically high, people doing napkin math and claiming big navi will easily crush 3090 in pure performance and other BS. Im personally very cautious with RTG's claims and final results equivalent with its hype. There are loads of things that going to be critical to navi 2x success or failure. For one thing im sure that amd/RTG is done with massive undercuts and if they deliver good performance get ready to pay for that too.

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20:37 Oct-11-2020

lol leave it to RTG to hype everything up..... there are other youtubers saying basically the same thing.... but many of those are also known for hyping AMD products.
I think more people win when AMD competes on price rather than pure performance.... everyone wants to see AMD punching at the top...... not me really, I'd rather have another Polaris, highly competitive performance in the mid range for less money. It doesn't help me at all if AMD has a $1400 GPU that beats the 3090.

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20:48 Oct-11-2020

unless of course they're also bringing to the table a $300 GPU that trades punches with the 3070........ now THAT would be exciting and noteworthy in my opinion!

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09:18 Oct-12-2020

It's the public that hypes them with tons of alleged leaks and such nonsense.

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09:19 Oct-12-2020

I'm telling you to expect a gpu from AMD that has performance between the rtx 3070 and rtx 3080, and obviously everything lower than that.

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09:20 Oct-12-2020

If they make a stronger gpu than that then great, it's not something they have done in the past, but there is a first time for a high end gpu.

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11:55 Oct-12-2020

"I'm telling you to expect a gpu from AMD that has performance between the rtx 3070 and rtx 3080, and obviously everything lower than that."


Would that not be a 3070 Ti? Or if it gets a different name a 3070 Super?

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15:44 Oct-12-2020

I'm talking about an amd gpu, and as I said nvidia should release such one(between the rtx 3070 and 3080) as well, but that was in a different comment, nvm.

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19:28 Oct-11-2020

Nice to see AMD being able to bring the competition back!

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19:21 Oct-11-2020

I think this was not the best 6000 series gpu tease, but its close. There have been rumors that amd will have "xtx" sku part and it will be slightly better than this one and i believe that this was top tier "xt" version. Also remember guys these are best case scenario for this showcased sku. Also there are a lot of unanswered question marks for big navi, like dlss equivalent, ray tracing perf, availability, aib versions, driver stability, etc..

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