AMD FidelityFX Super Resolution will only work on GeForce GPUs if Nvidia allows it

Written by Stuart Thomas on Fri, Jun 4, 2021 12:02 PM

Recently AMD has been capturing the interest of many gamers with their own version of a DLSS-like upscaler, offering higher performance whilst preserving image quality (well, at least trying to that is). One of the most interesting parts about it though was its apparent accessibility - being available on old hardware as well as new - and could potentially even work on Nvidia graphics cards.

However, AMD have now come out to clarify that although FidelityFX Super Resolution (FSR) will work on GeForce GPUs including GTX 10 series cards (which don’t support DLSS), it will be up to Nvidia themselves to optimize it. In other words, FSR will only work on GeForce GPUs if Nvidia allows it.

We are very excited to have you all try it out,” said Scott Herkelman, Vice President and General Manager for AMD Radeon. “Just to be clear though - we aren't optimizing it for GeForce - that will be up to them to do the work on behalf of their gaming community - we just proved it works :)

That may be a bit disappointing considering the excitement around the open source and cross platform nature of FSR, but the tech officially launches in its infancy on June 22nd and should get better with time. DLSS 1.0 was quite rough around the edges until DLSS 2.0, which now dominates the market.

We’ll also have to wait and see if Nvidia actually does end up supporting it. Not only does it mean a higher workload on the Green Team during a time where all hands are needed on deck, but there isn’t a whole lot of benefit for Nvidia given DLSS is currently far superior in terms of image quality.

Then again, the fact that FSR works on GTX 10 series cards is an advantage as DLSS only works on RTX GPUs at the moment, and so Nvidia could end up optimizing it for that reason alone. Either way though, we’ll have to wait and see when FSR officially launches in a few weeks.

What do you think? Will Nvidia actually optimize FSR on their GPUs? Will they do it only on the GTX 10 series for now since DLSS is supported on more recent hardware? And how do you think FSR will compare to DLSS in the future? Will Nvidia always be one step ahead? Or will AMD eventually catch up? Let us know!

Do you think Nvidia will optimize FSR for their GPUs?

Will they optimize for GTX 10 series only? Or other GPUs as well?

How close do you think FSR will get to DLSS quality?

What matters more to you about an image upscaler like DLSS or FSR?

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16:32 Jun-07-2021

nvidia is EVIL, THEY WILL NEVER ALLOW IT

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16:57 Jun-07-2021

Relax.

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12:39 Jun-08-2021

if they ditch fsr i will ditch nvidia

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13:25 Jun-08-2021

I'm sure Jensen is quaking in his boots right now.

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22:39 Jun-08-2021

A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step.

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11:03 Jun-09-2021

I don't think this wisdom applies to someone who's sitting at -17 with caps in his incoherent comments, nor does Jensen even know about his existence to begin with - let's be realistic here xD

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17:30 Jun-09-2021

Yeah, but Jensen is his uncle, that'll devastate him.

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23:02 Jun-09-2021

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02:11 Jun-05-2021

Now this is an interesting development. Looking fwd to see how all this plays out.

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22:23 Jun-04-2021

From what I believe is that nVidia will at first try to push their proprietary stuff and just let AMD stuff run on their cards. And just as with FreeSync, they will eventually give in and start optimizing for it as well. I doubt nVidia will go out of their way to block it. They know it will be on consoles plus PC and they know it will get big. It wouldn't be worth pissing people off for that.

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22:25 Jun-04-2021

Especially since eventually this shortage will end and they will have to compete again. Which coincidentally also sums up all our hopes and dreams... :-D Anyway, as for FSR, I think it will get close to DLSS and will probably improve over time, just like DLSS. But it is important that they get quality close enough for mass adoption. And they will have to, DLSS is only getting better.

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23:13 Jun-04-2021

That's what they like to do. Just like FreeSync, they'll wait until it catches steam and then they'll rebrand it as something theirs, and AMD, in all their infinite wisdom, will just let them hijack their tech and pass it as their own.

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12:05 Jun-07-2021

My educated projection is that FSR simply won't be anywhere near DLSS. Simply because it does not incorporate machine learning to synthesize new images. I'll eat my words if they do get close, but I just don't see it happening.

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21:57 Jun-07-2021

Personally I will wait and see. Maybe they have some ace up their sleeve, maybe not. I do hope they do, because that would be amazing and great for everyone. But so far we have little to go on, so I won't claim it will be amazing, but I do hope they can pull it off at least decent, since wide hardware support could carry it, if it is good enough. And it would be great for everyone.

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21:59 Jun-07-2021

But I could be wrong, either way I got no stakes on this. Still, I am curious though, can't wait for third party reviews to get onto it. But if it flops, I will gladly admit I was wrong and that it was fools hope.

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22:08 Jun-07-2021

Ok, I keep seeing the same "we'll wait and see" and a lot of doubt at best, and a lot of blind fanboyism at worst in people regarding FSR, and it is quite difficult to explain why FSR will not make a difference to DLSS and why it will never be as good or even close to DLSS, but this article I thought does a pretty good job at it.

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22:13 Jun-07-2021

Yeah that article seems decent, but pls dont look at the comment section there, absolute fanboy cesspool in there XD

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22:14 Jun-07-2021

Say I have a base image that is THIS. Regular upscaling (FSR) produces this "level of detail" (crop), while AI upscaling (DLSS) can "imagine" detail where none existed(same crop as before).
This is, in essence, why FSR will remain blurry and why DLSS can do what it does

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22:17 Jun-07-2021

And here's a COMPARISON inside the software I use.


AI, when trained, can "imagine" a new frame, much like you we humans can imagine a bigger image out of a thumbnail preview. FSR is based on spacial upscaling (same as resizing in Photoshop, but with extra steps and a temporal aspect) and HEAVILY relies on the input frame, so the lower the base resolution - the more crap the output. It'll work somewhat, but NEVER as well as DLSS without machine learning.

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22:20 Jun-07-2021

That's why I keep hammering that there's no point having this "hope" that FSR will become the answer to DLSS - it simply will not be, because of a technical limitation - not having any specialized hardware AI acceleration on Radeon GPUs. If AMD tried to do what Nvidia do (machine learning) on just the compute cores alone - the fps would most likely tank well below the playable threshold, just because it's a computationally expensive task.
People call RTX a "gimmick", but the guys at Nvidia are not stupid and their tech is definitely not a gimmick...

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00:23 Jun-08-2021

Man, comments on wccftech are always a blast. The writer is always called either Nvidia, AMD or Intel shill, and you constantly have fanboys from all 3 camps battling it out in there. It's as fun as it's sad.

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01:02 Jun-08-2021

I honestly have not even looked tat the comments... I kind of expect it all to be cancer and just ignore xD

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22:25 Jun-08-2021

All good points, just in case, I didn't mean to say you are wrong. It is more just, in worst case, there will be some interesting reviews. And yeah, nVidia is already on second generation of their AI, I would be shocked if it wasn't better to be realistic. As for gimmick, it was on release, it got better and more games support it, so it is not gimmick it used to be anymore.

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22:31 Jun-08-2021

And AMD will eventually need to compete with it properly, as DLSS gets wider and wider support. I won't defend AMD here, because their FSR has yet to prove itself.


As for Wccftech and comments, yeah... they are something alright, not good, but something. :-D

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00:05 Jun-09-2021

I did read some of the comments out of curiosity and....yeah, this is why I'm, HERE and not there xDDD

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16:16 Jun-04-2021

Ah this old PR move.
Reveal that their new technology will work on competitors hardware that doesn't support the competitors own alternative, then state the competitor needs to support it, making them look anti consumer if they don't.

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18:35 Jun-04-2021

Looking like the "good guy" worked for many companies, including CDPR, so why reinvent the wheel.

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19:03 Jun-04-2021

I think you mixed him with someone else. Scott, as far as I know, never worked for CDPR. For the last 5 years he's been a part of AMD, and few years before that he even worked for Nvidia.

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19:08 Jun-04-2021

I was talking about the strategy, not about Scott, the same as Woffingshire. It's the strategy, not the person that matters in this context, derp.

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23:13 Jun-04-2021

Well....

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18:55 Jun-04-2021

Fair, but in AMD's defense, it's pretty mild compared to the rest. And honestly, making it open source is already miles ahead of what Nvidia would ever do, so also optimizing the tech for their own cards would be doing Nvidias work for free. It's a light jab at Nvidia, but definitely not unfair one if you ask me.

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14:54 Jun-04-2021

Nvidia would look like massive ar$ehole$ if AMD showed it working and then didn't put any effort into optimising it for their hardware. that would be like someone handing you a cake at your Bday party, everyone is waiting for a slice and you just throw it in the bin

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15:02 Jun-04-2021

"Throwing the cake in the bin" would be if Nvidia somehow magically refused to allow FSR to run at all (which I doubt they can, at least not without deliberately scanning games for FSR code and blocking it or whatever). This would be more like if someone handed you the cake but it's not a flavor you like, so you don't enjoy it as much as the other people who ALSO have a slice.

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15:56 Jun-04-2021

yeah i guess. i know i would be pissed if they allowed it but never done anything to optimise it. kinda like when they Allowed physx to run on cpu for non gtx users but no one (amd or nvidias side) put any effort into upgrading/updating it from only using, i think it was single core (maybe 2 cores?)

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15:59 Jun-04-2021

I'll be honest, I always had multiple GPUs in my systems (after I stopped being a poor student, that is), so PhysX ran incredibly smooth on a dedicated GPU. I remember back when one of the Batman Arkham games was making the news rounds about how "unplayable" it was - it ran smooth as butter on multi-GPU systems, since we'd just dedicate one to the rendering and another for PhysX :D
Kinda sad to see PhysX go, to be fair...I loved the interactive particle/fluid/cloth mess it used to make everywhere!

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16:04 Jun-04-2021

yeah im going to miss trying to crash my pc making barrel mountains in crysis 1 and running cpu physx on my old bulldozer 6300 and HD7850 system LOL

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16:12 Jun-04-2021

Heh, first time I played Crysis was on an ASUS F3KA laptop (I still have it and it works) - Radeon HD 2600 512MB, 2-core AMD Turion TL-60 2GHz and 4GB RAM. It ran at medium settings at 30-ish fps and it was an amazing feat back then to me. Then, upgrading many years later to my first gaming laptop - Alienware 18 - made very short work of the game. Though a lot of the same issues still persist to this day in terms of framerate - the game has massive fps drops in certain parts of the map, especially observing the island, regardless of 1080p or 5K :D

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16:17 Jun-04-2021

first time i tried to play it was on a amd athlonx2 system. first pc i built, back before i knew about motherboard stand offs and didnt have a computer for YT guidance. safe to say that was a £1000 dead within 6 months

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14:47 Jun-04-2021

"We [AMD] aren't optimizing it for GeForce - that will be up to them [Nvidia] to do the work" isn't the same as "FSR will ONLY work on GeForce GPUs if Nvidia ALLOWS it"...


Surely I'm reading the same thing as everyone else, including Stuart, right? What's with the imaginary gatekeeping? It's not proprietary code, so it sounds like it'll run on anything that supports the required instruction set, that's it. It's just down to Nvidia to (potentially) make it run a bit faster on their hardware. That's what I'm seeing here...

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23:27 Jun-04-2021

They would pour more money into DLSS advancements.

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11:56 Jun-07-2021

Which I wouldn't mind. It's the better way of doing it.

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12:14 Jun-04-2021

If Nvidia doesn't make it work on 16 series. this will be the last thing i buy from nvidia.
I'm done with their Sh*tty practices

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12:16 Jun-04-2021

unless they make DLSS-Lite (highly doubt) for GTX gpus

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12:24 Jun-04-2021

i imagine they might do something like with freesync, like "dlss-compatible" or something to rebrand FSR to not give any attention to amd, but hey should optimize it for gtx series because by not doing so they will just shoot themselves in the foot, leaving more wiggle room for amd.

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12:37 Jun-04-2021

Yea it might happen. I just hope it's not late like what happened with Freesync/Gsync

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12:42 Jun-04-2021

yeah, but im sure it will be faster than that :) since its performance related and that is one of the most important aspects for amd or nvidia

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13:22 Jun-04-2021

I don't think they care, really. They've shown time and time again that they don't particularly care, and that they kinda regret the 10xx series and how good it was. They really want people off them so I can see a reason why they might not enable FSR on 10xx series as another FU and upgrade to the owners.

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14:57 Jun-04-2021

"we aren't optimizing it for GeForce - that will be up to them to do the work"


Where are you all reading that Nvidia needs to somehow "allow" FSR to work? All the VP of AMD is saying that they will optimize THEIR drivers for FSR (or FSR itself for AMD cards), while Nvidia needs to do the same on their end. It's not proprietary code that needs access to special hardware or anything like that, it runs already, just needs potential optimization (if any).

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16:24 Jun-04-2021

Second paragraph goes "In other words, FSR will only work on GeForce GPUs if Nvidia allows it." but maybe I just took it too literally. So I guess it depends on level of optimization needed. If it's a lot of work required I don't think Nvidia will do it as they already have DLSS and as far as they're concerned Pascal is over.

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13:20 Jun-04-2021

They will likely not spend many more resources on GTX GPUs, and DLSS works using tensor cores, which GTX series lacks, and nVidia is definitely not going to build whole new software for half a decade old GPUs. I'd love it, I have a 1080Ti but it's not gonna happen.

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13:38 Jun-04-2021

"They've shown time and time again that they don't particularly care"
Honestly nothing comes to my mind that might confirm that, could you refresh my memory? honest question

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16:35 Jun-04-2021

Skyrocketing prices, no mid to low end GPUs to speak of. Releasing 2 new GPUs that'll eat already non existent stocks. Last minute bump in price. I don't see those actions as particularly consumer friendly.

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17:23 Jun-04-2021

And amd with rx 6000 series are so much about mid to low performance market... Its the current situation of the gpu market not because they decided to do it out of nowhere, remember both companies gets their bulk of profits from mid range cards, due to their popularity. Remember AMD when they literally delivered impossible BOM to their AIB partners, just to sell their reference models at considerably lesser price?

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17:30 Jun-04-2021

Both companies does what is best for THEM and often those decisions are good for consumers but sometimes they are not. As far as i remember nvidia always countered amd with their new features. I really dont think nvidia won't do anything in this case, because its competition and nvidia hate to see any feature named not after them in their feature list.

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18:33 Jun-04-2021

@TheEmperor - the following paragraph with "in other words" is someone else's (writer's?) understanding - it's the quote from AMD that matters here instead. That's what confuses me - how can someone read what the VP said and extrapolate something completely different from it. Doesn't make sense to me, but I'd like to have it explained to me, if I'm wrong here.

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14:49 Jun-04-2021

Dude, the AMD guy mentioned optimization, not "allowing"... this article is so misleading for some reason.

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